$400 NLHE Full Ring: Extracting max value with 2nd nut flush

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Hi guys played an interesting hand today at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I played this hand.

Starting stack:

Hero: $800
Villain: $700

4 players limp including Villain in MP1. Hero opens for $35 in the CO holding K:spade: Q:spade:. It is folded around to Villain and MP2 who call.

The flop comes: 5:diamond: 4:spade: 5:spade: $122 in pot

It is checked around to Hero who bets $60. Villain calls and MP2 folds.

The turn brings a Q:club: $222 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $100. Villain calls.

The river brings an 8:spade: $422 in pot

Villain leads out for $155. Hero???

Villain is very loose. He limps a ton and limp calls any player's raise with very wide range holdings. He is an action seeker and is involved in most pots. He chases draws even when not priced in to do so. He has lead before when the flush got completed on the river and showed down a flush every time so I am almost certain villain completed his flush on the river here. The only concern here is there is a percentage of time villain will have the nut flush draw but most of the time he will have a low flush so would you raise villain and stack off here comfortably with the second nut flush. There is also a small percentage of time when villain will have a full house as well. Calling here is a no brainer but my concern would be stacking off here with the second nut flush.

Thanks for the feedback guys!
 
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I'm finding a call here. I just don't feel like villain will be stacking off behind enough to warrant us jamming here. There's a lot of strong hands possible on this board and a jam is clearly saying you aren't afraid of the flush.

From villain's perspective, if he has a small flush it'd be a good bet/fold line here, so there wouldn't be any more equity when you're ahead but you get owned when villain holds nut flush, boat, 67s
 
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I suggest you may just fold here... It is too much like a river value bet
 
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Since you said, hes unpredictable, I will just call here.

The situation is so vague, so I will choose the least which is just to call.
 
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I am calling here. His sizing is slightly smaller than I would have picked as a value bet. I'm not sure what he is putting you on but this feels like a blocker bet from a hand with good showdown (bet --> fold line) or the nuts/near nuts looking to induce a shove from worse. This line doesn't feel like air to me, and he seems to think you have some hand that will call off here.

Villain only has about $350 behind after the river bet, but we are holding both the K and Q of spades, I don't know if he stacks off with a J high flush or worse here (that's all we really beat). Call and let him show you he floated you with the naked A flush draw the whole time, then bet larger against him in the future.
 
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if hes weak pre your hand is huge post. bet/bet/bet and bigger. charge his draws on the turn, punish him for playing small suited hands raise river as played ofc. gl
 
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There are also streights on his range. If you are certain of your reads than trying to stack off is legit. But will he put his other half of the stack on the line without something closer to the nuts like FH or A high flush?
Will he call enough times with worse to compensate the times that he shows up with better?
 
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I would shove this river as the way we played it we got the card that we wanted on the river. Since you mentioned that the villain is a pretty loose we have to extract max value and not make the mistake of calling here.

Such a loose player either can be betting many weaker hands than our flush on the river. It can be a queen, an eight, a five, a straight or stone cold bluff. So we have to raise for value and he will also pay us off with some of the above hands.:marchmell
 
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