$400 NLHE Full Ring: AQo OOP facing river shove

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Hi guys I recently played an interesting hand at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $280

MP2 limps. Hero in LP opens to $30 holding A:spade: Q:diamond: Villain in CO and MP2 both call.

The flop comes: 3:spade: 4:heart: T:club: $97 in pot.

MP2 checks. Hero bets $50. Villain calls. MP2 folds.

The turn brings a T:diamond: $197 in pot.

It goes check. Check.

The river brings the A:club:

Hero bets $100. Villain shoves for his remaining $200. The reason I value bet this river was because villain's flop calling range consists of A3s, A4s, A2s, 56s, and Tx hands. All these hands are suited because villain wouldn't call pre-flop without a suited weak hand. Villain is loose passive aggressive. He chases draws and commits to them on the turn. I have seen him call a value bet on the flop with a weak draw and commit his stack on the turn with the same draw. His shove here feels like Ax and Tx type hands and given I'm getting nearly 5 to 1 on a call it's hard to fold here.

Thanks for the feedback guys!
 
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I'd fold unless he's a total drooler. You're getting insane odds to call and there's no reason for him to think you'd fold any hand except for total bluffs or call with worse hands if he has Ax.
 
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Hi guys I recently played an interesting hand at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $280

MP2 limps. Hero in LP opens to $30 holding A<font color='black'>♠</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font> Villain in CO and MP2 both call.

The flop comes: 3<font color='black'>♠</font> 4<font color='red'>♥</font> T<font color='black'>♣</font> $97 in pot.

MP2 checks. Hero bets $50. Villain calls. MP2 folds.

The turn brings a T<font color='red'>♦</font> $197 in pot.

It goes check. Check.

The river brings the A<font color='black'>♣</font>

Hero bets $100. Villain shoves for his remaining $200. The reason I value bet this river was because villain's flop calling range consists of A3s, A4s, A2s, 56s, and Tx hands. All these hands are suited because villain wouldn't call pre-flop without a suited weak hand. Villain is loose passive aggressive. He chases draws and commits to them on the turn. I have seen him call a value bet on the flop with a weak draw and commit his stack on the turn with the same draw. His shove here feels like Ax and Tx type hands and given I'm getting nearly 5 to 1 on a call it's hard to fold here.

Thanks for the feedback guys!

I'm slightly confused by the hand setup. You said that MP limped, but you didn't mention what CO did preflop. I'm assuming that CO limped, too, since you said you opened to $30 in late position.

Retardless, I agree that, as played, you have to call here. As you said, you are getting nearly 5-to-1 on your money and there are enough hands you are beating (lower Ax, mid-pairs, and occasional air) that calling is probably +EV --- especially against a LAG like this villain.

My one reservation is that, given's villain's stack size, he really doesn't generate any fold equity with his river shove unless you don't have an ace --- so it really isn't a good bluffing spot. If he's bluffing, he'll only get called by hands that have him beaten and he'll fold out all hands he's beating (no idea what those might be, by the way). For that reason, I wouldn't be surprised to see him show trip tens or a boat --- but I probably make this call regardless unless I have a great read on him.

Whether you should call here or not, I don't like your river bet sizing unless you're committed to calling an overshove. I think you can make a $50 river bet and still fold out worse in most situations while not generating such great odds for yourself that you have to call his overshove. I also think you that checking this river isn't the worst mistake in history --- especially against a LAG.

-HooDooKoo
 
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I'd fold unless he's a total drooler. You're getting insane odds to call and there's no reason for him to think you'd fold any hand except for total bluffs or call with worse hands if he has Ax.

I see John's perspective on this hand completely, and I made a similar statement in my post. Unless he has a boat, trip 10s, or AK, his river shove is idiotic --- so you need to decide, based on what you've seen from him, is he a "drooler" or not? If he is, you can call. If he's a competent LAG, though, you are almost certainly beaten.

-HooDooKoo
 
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What a interesting hand.

Now if I keep on talking about what John and hoodookoo said. I think you should call. If your opponent is a bad player its obw a call because he could be doing what ever 1/6 of the time or more. Now if hes a good opponent I think you are doing a misstake by folding. Even if you onle win the hand 1/10 of the time I think you should call. We assumed that he were a good opponent, So that means that he will moat likely expliot it if you folding getting 5:1 odds. He will understand that you understand that he would never raise here with a worse gand and tjat will give him great bluffing spots later. The exeption is if he would think that you bluffed him with air and folded after getting raised. Than its all about if you think you will win 1/6 or not. But I think he will understand that you folded a atleast showdown value hand.
 
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This is a pretty easy fold a villain definitely has us crushed as this line is super strong. Villain probably has a 10 or an even better hand. :flybye:
 
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Think it's a pretty easy fold as many have said there isn't many bluffs in his range here ever unless he is a pretty big fish.
 
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you'll usually be better off check-calling this river vs betting. i know you're hoping to extract value from Ax hands, but they may bet if checked to anyway. and there aren't a whole lot of other hands you're beating that will call you. preferable to induce a bluff and pay off less when you are up against Tx.

as played, i don't know, he seems nutted as all heck, but you're getting 5:1. i guess i call just in case he's spazzing or has a worse ace.
 
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