$400 NLHE Full Ring: can anyone fold AA here

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villain is a v.good regular at local casino , rough stats would be vp$ip: 30 pfr: 18 af: 70 , likes to put the pressure on and is capable of reraising with middle/bottom pair for information, also has raised our blind a few times in the 2 hours played together
villan stack aprox $ 800 in CO
BTN has about $500
HERO has about $1300
action pre Co raises pot to $20 , BTN calls , HERO wakes up with AdAs and raises to $80 CO calls , BTN folds
flop ( 183) Kc Qc 10h HERO leads for $80 , CO raises to $240
What can we put villan on ?
At the time my thinking was hero has KK, QQ, 1010 in his range possibly 10J or a combo draw , and the fact that he is investing more than a third of his stack on this hand makes me think he wants to play for stacks here
Whats the best line to take here ?
Thanks in advance
 
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Fold if you have the Ac, call and see a turn without it.
 
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I really think you are crushed here, it's not likely villain is going to mess around in a 3-bet pot with a fish in the pot.
 
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to be honest I dont think i'm qualified to give an opinion here (100nl player)
but depending on this guy if you think he could mix his play up here but i meen, if i'm playing as villain with intention to bluff this board it feels almost suicidal i'd say this guy had set of Queens maybe 10's, , I just cant imagine semi bluffing J10 here, or gettign out of line on this board.... I hate life and fold
 
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Much bigger preflop. $120 or so.
 
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A lot of my advice depends on what his opinion of you is. If he thinks he can generally get you to fold to pressure, then I'm never, ever folding here. Jam now while he can give up a naked flush or straight draw. If he still calls with the draws, you should be ok with that. You could also call his check raise and then call his shove on blank turn cards.

If you have no history (and it seems to me like you do), then do what baudib says. His range can be wider than you think here because you only raised 4x after the flat caller and bet less than half pot on the flop.
 
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baudib1 said:
I really think you are crushed here, it's not likely villain is going to mess around in a 3-bet pot with a fish in the pot.
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baudib1 said:
I really think you are crushed here, it's not likely villain is going to mess around in a 3-bet pot with a fish in the pot.
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Whos the fish ? btn folds pre so must be me:rolleyes:
I think we are crushed also , the only doubt I was having Is that this player likes to raise for info, we have some history and on one occassion he rerased me with middle pair and said "I dont scare easily". But on the other hand he knows im competent to mix it up against him , and a few hands ago I stacked this player when he hit a nut flush on the turn and I filled up on the river.
I think hes not meesin around either with such a wet flop. I also dont think hes investing such a big portion of his stack and folding .
 
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WVHillbilly said:
Much bigger preflop. $120 or so.
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This player has been raising our blind when first in a lot , so im puting him on wide range pre suited connectors any pair , for this reason im only 3betin 4x to get value out of this hand , not getting him to fold. On a different note though I 3bet him before a few times and found that he likes to see the flop especialy in position , so maybe u right 100-120 a better choice.
 
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JamesDaBear said:
A lot of my advice depends on what his opinion of you is. If he thinks he can generally get you to fold to pressure, then I'm never, ever folding here. Jam now while he can give up a naked flush or straight draw. If he still calls with the draws, you should be ok with that. You could also call his check raise and then call his shove on blank turn cards.

If you have no history (and it seems to me like you do), then do what baudib says. His range can be wider than you think here because you only raised 4x after the flat caller and bet less than half pot on the flop.
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good point , maybe hes thinking that Im sick of him rasing my bb , so i 3bet , then only lead for not even half pot , which he could interpret as weakness and raises to see how much I really like my hand , If I lead for pot here it cost him way too much to raise and fold , so hes either jaming or folding :confused:
 
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kanselau said:
This player has been raising our blind when first in a lot , so im puting him on wide range pre suited connectors any pair , for this reason im only 3betin 4x to get value out of this hand , not getting him to fold. On a different note though I 3bet him before a few times and found that he likes to see the flop especialy in position , so maybe u right 100-120 a better choice.
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I'm not raising big to get folds. I'm raising big because live players love to see flops and hate to throw away any hand after they've put in a few bucks.
 
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I raise bigger pre, $90 is around the standard here, with live fish $100-$120 is fine.

I fold flop pretty fast. That flop has smashed absolutely smashed a 3bet calling range. AJ/KQ/KK/QQ/TT perhaps from fish an occasional KT/QT. But even more importantly the raise rules out the hands that we want to stack. AK doesn't raise, we're a bit short on other Kx hands which is why a broadway flop not including an Ace is nearly always a very bad thing for rockets.

Sure there are flush draws but in a 3bet pot there aren't as many. Any above Tx will have hit a pair and are more likely to call. If we hold. We're defo getting bluffed now and again (some people like to raise flushdraw + pairs and there will be suited connectors that may raise) but it is not enough to justify continuing as the range that has us beat is just to damn wide. (26 combos I count).
 
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Deco said:
I raise bigger pre, $90 is around the standard here, with live fish $100-$120 is fine.

I fold flop pretty fast. That flop has smashed absolutely smashed a 3bet calling range.
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+1 I can't find any reason to continue with this hand with no info that the villain has any spew in him.
 
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WVHillbilly said:
I'm not raising big to get folds. I'm raising big because live players love to see flops and hate to throw away any hand after they've put in a few bucks.
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This is 1000% true
 
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There's no way this guy has an AFq of 70%. Flop is a very reluctant fold here.
 
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WVHillbilly said:
I'm not raising big to get folds. I'm raising big because live players love to see flops and hate to throw away any hand after they've put in a few bucks.
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yes, Yes, YES!!!!
and 2 pair very much in his range here - and that just sucks.
 
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You are either marginally ahead of pair + draw hands or way behind made 2p, sets, straights. It is an easy fold when raised on the flop.

I must say that your bet sizing is absolutely awful. When squeezing oop you should be making it much larger, especially being 200bb deep with the reg. Also cbetting so weak on a drawy board is asking to get raised IMO.
 
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Deco said:
I raise bigger pre, $90 is around the standard here, with live fish $100-$120 is fine.

I fold flop pretty fast. That flop has smashed absolutely smashed a 3bet calling range. AJ/KQ/KK/QQ/TT perhaps from fish an occasional KT/QT. But even more importantly the raise rules out the hands that we want to stack. AK doesn't raise, we're a bit short on other Kx hands which is why a broadway flop not including an Ace is nearly always a very bad thing for rockets.

Sure there are flush draws but in a 3bet pot there aren't as many. Any above Tx will have hit a pair and are more likely to call. If we hold. We're defo getting bluffed now and again (some people like to raise flushdraw + pairs and there will be suited connectors that may raise) but it is not enough to justify continuing as the range that has us beat is just to damn wide. (26 combos I count).
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well said mate, realy like your thinking here
 
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WVHillbilly said:
I'm not raising big to get folds. I'm raising big because live players love to see flops and hate to throw away any hand after they've put in a few bucks.
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Yep they call alot , especialy with the fish in the pot 100+ in order
 
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