€400 NLHE Full Ring: AK vs turn reraise - the villain bluffs me off my hand or hit a set or flush?

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€400 NLHE Full Ring: AK vs turn reraise - the villain bluffs me off my hand or hit a set or flush?

I would like to post one hand I played live. Could anybody check the line - I'm not sure I played it well....
Hero is BB with AsKh
Villain is a very good TAG in the MP.
Played 2-4 NL 9 players
preflop - 3 foldes, MP bet 20, everyone folds, I raise 60, MP calls
Pot 144. Flop Ac 8c 6s, I bet 100, MP calles.
Pot 344. Turn Tc. Hero bets 250, MP raises 600, Hero folds...
Villain shows....
 
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You pot it, so an actually good TAG won't stick around with a FD; getting paid off properly on it is tough (and he never has K6cc).

Therefore I would say he's polarized to TT/AT/6x6c, and air. With that range it's tough not to have air, so I might peel. Depends on how aggressive he usually is postflop; but you said he showed so that's usually a tilt-inducer and more often than not total air (or the nuts, to encourage you to rock up so he can bet total air next time round).
 
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Raise slightly more PF for being OOP.

He isn't going to have hardly any flush draws in his range here. Only hand to be scared of is A10, sets. Re-raise turn.

Also your stacks are clearly deeper than 100 BB's here so telling us stack sizes would be very useful, as this alters 3 bet sizing PF even more and turn decision.
 
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Raise slightly more PF for being OOP.

He isn't going to have hardly any flush draws in his range here. Only hand to be scared of is A10, sets. Re-raise turn.
Why 3bet? 90% he has air or better, so we wanna keep the air in. And he's also probably not gonna flat a 3bet with AQ here because that would be godawful.
 
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Op what are the stack sizes?
 
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no one's folding AQ pre in position for 60 live.
 
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no one's folding AQ pre in position for 60 live.
I meant turn 3bet. Flatting 3bet IP with AQ is standard almost always, but flatting turn 3bet OOP with top pair? Come on; how often does he think we have air when we do that?
 
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Raise slightly more PF for being OOP.

He isn't going to have hardly any flush draws in his range here. Only hand to be scared of is A10, sets. Re-raise turn.

Also your stacks are clearly deeper than 100 BB's here so telling us stack sizes would be very useful, as this alters 3 bet sizing PF even more and turn decision.
You are right.... forgot to tell. We both were deep, more than 300 BB
 
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You are right.... forgot to tell. We both were deep, more than 300 BB
Then definitely don't raise because ranges are EVEN MORE polarized to the nuts and air, but also don't fold for that same reason. Just peel down because he's gonna have air at least often enough for you to make some profit from it. A reg's gonna be raising air in that turn very often when he's in deep against a tight player because he knows at this stack depth with this board texture we're gonna be folding a hand like TPTK. Ergo, we shouldn't fold a hand like TPTK.
 
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you are 100% right.... He showed KcQs
I'm too poor for these limits I guess:(
 
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Most people in NL500 and below live are awful so you're good man -- you just happened to stumble into a reg.

Be careful though, if he shows a bluff he's trying to tilt you so his range is gonna tighten up afterwards.
 
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he saw i played pretty tight and my hand was obvious... He knew I would't risk my entire stack with TPTK on a dangerous board and decided to steal... Can't imagine he called 3-bet with KQ unsuited
 
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I started folding TPTK often against agression because I lost a lot of money with such hands.... Recently I lost the entire stack to a huge fish with VPIP 46, who called my 3 bet (I had AA) with 63 unsuited, the flop was 336 and I could't believe he had 66 or a 3 when he reraised and started to barrel.... No idea how to react in such spots
 
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He could have all sort of combo draws that would call a psb, all you can do is fold. Just because hes a good tag, doesn't mean he won't take a risk here and there if he feels it can be rewarding. That sucks he bluffed you not alot you can do about it, unless you had a specific read thinking he would do so. I really don't like ak in 3bets out of position, you miss two thirds of the time, so your left in the open if he calls a cbet when you whiffed.
 
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He could have all sort of combo draws that would call a psb, all you can do is fold.
Combo draws in this spot are actually really really rare. In fact after a turn raise the only combo draws he can possibly have are 66xc and AKxc. 97cc isn't going to be in his flat 3bet range, and neither is A6cc, and most flushes will have folded to flop bet or raised as a semibluff, unless he intended to float them (even if he did it's a grand total of 6 combos).

I mean like, in general, he's gonna have SOOOOOO little he can bet for value (and mind you, even AK + FD is still a dog vs a turn calling range and basically a semibluff), that most of what he has here is air and weak semibluffs.
 
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Aleksei, sorry I don't quite understand what you mean by "AKxc" as Ac is on the board.... I feared he was holding 67c, 66, 88 or TT (in the last case he could have called my flop bet hoping to bluff me if the third flush draw card arived though it was less likely). Now that you I think carefully about it I agree that you are right - it was highly unlikely that he had a better hand and I shouldn't have folded in that spot...
 
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Aleksei, sorry I don't quite understand what you mean by "AKxc" as Ac is on the board....
I meant AK with the Kc.

As for the rest, they are a super-tiny number of combos. The mere fact he's repping those makes it very very difficult for him to not have air more frequently than value.
 
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I never believed he could have called my 3-bet with K6s. He is simply not that type player. I would never do that myself.... Other Kxs wouldn't have given him the right odds to call my flop bet with just a flush draw, or he would have sooner reraised the flop as a semi-bluff.... I agree with your overall conclusuon... It was difficuly for me to realise all that in the heat of the moment....
 
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I flat preflop this deep vs a good regs MP open our relatively nitty 3betting range is very face up and our positional disadvantage is greater than normal.

I fold turn. Wp to him for bluffing us off the best hand but this is still a fold and its not even close.
 
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Wow that sucks man, reraise with KQo. He's a kamikaze.
 
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Fold. Stacks too deep to stack off TPTK.
Dude, this is not a raise/GII or fold situation, that's absurd. I flat and bluffcatch because we're deep and bluffs are more common by this player in this spot than legit value hands. I was sure of this from the get go but now I know it to be fact, because guess what? villain showed a bluff.
 
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Dude, this is not a raise/GII or fold situation, that's absurd. I flat and bluffcatch because we're deep and bluffs are more common by this player in this spot than legit value hands. I was sure of this from the get go but now I know it to be fact, because guess what? villain showed a bluff.

Results orientated much?

I just love how you know that villain is bluffing even though the only information you have on him is that he is a decent regular. You assume so many different variables, e.g. the villain knows that HERO won't stack off TPTK deep etc.
When in reality you don't know villain knows this at all, your just assuming.

Even though a bluff here looks very unlikely as they are so deep and villains calls c-bet with A high board in 3 bet pot.

I didn't know stack sizes before that's why I said raise, but now I would be folding OTT usually as a bluff here is unlikely. Well done for villain for bluffing.

Also by the way you are so sure and the way you say "folding is absurd" (even though it's not at all). it sounds like you should be grinding 2000nl online...
 
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