$400 NLHE Full Ring: 9's flops set..rough board

Ran into an interesting spot at my $2/5 table tonight. DONK is just awful..ATC all day. Buys in for $100 (lol) all day and rebuys at least 5 times everytime I'm on his table. I guess he caught fire to finally get some chips.
First time playing against Villain--my friend told me before I sat this guy is a very strong $5/10 reg..young asian dude..I don't have enough hands in with him to have any read. I'm on the button.
Seat 2: Villain ($3600))
Seat 5: Hero ($1100)
Seat 7: DONK ($500)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9s 9c]
Villain raises to $20
Hero calls $20
DONK calls $15
*** FLOP *** [Ad Qd 9d]
DONK bets $45
Villain raises to $120
(fyi I'm a rookie with handconverter, sorry if it's confusing. 9 handed here, everyone else folds pre)
Hero's pretty sure DONK thinks he's strong (which doesn't mean much as far as actual strength. Kd is more then enough for him to shove here. AT+ is probably good enough to, too) based on his reaction to Villain's raise.
Hero?

I kind of want to flat but I think in game id just bump it to 370 or so

Gross spot

Flatting to keep in the retard seems okay to me.

Hero calls, donk calls.

Turn As. Donk checks, villain stares me down for a couple minutes and bets 300. Hero?

(Yeah I flat flop to make retard think his odds got better lol

Poker_play said:

Yeah I flat flop to make retard think his odds got better lol

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They did, lol!

Id prob flat again on turn to try get another street out of the retard, also villain may be bet/folding as good as AK but will still barrel river with most of his range.

Raise turn please

700 behind (by my bad math) and 300 as a bet, I think shoving makes more sense.. the donk will prob call off if he has much anyway imo.

Just flat, raising makes him fold a flush. Hero overcalls flop with top 2, set almost always.

I would've raised the flop tbh, you reckon he folds Ax on the turn?

Hero fought it over and figures raising a)probably only gets called if I'm behind and b)probably wastes potential profit by either a donk call or villain riverbet if I am ahead. Hero flats, retard flats (leaving him with a retarded amount behind).

River Jd. Donk almost jumps out of his seat..I guess he hit his diamond lol...shoves his 2 chips in...villain dwells it over...then shoves.

Hero?

how much is the call?

This is like the grossest spot ever. I think 9's full is probably the weakest hand you can't fold. Any flush, trips I could easily discard. 9's full is probably worse than the KdX in this spot, since you at least block some straight flushes with the Kd.

We're getting a pretty good price here if my math guess is right. But a fold seems totally within reason. Fish & reg have to both be overplaying flushes here.

On these forums, I fold. Probably can't do it in real life. Maybe if I run a simulation, and there are a ton of flush vs. Flush vs. Boat scenarios then I'd change my mind.

Hero's call would be $660 (allin vs villain)...retard barely had anything on rivershove

I got stuck here man ...thinkking exactly what c9 said. I'm thinking the only villain hand I can beat is Kd plus whatever. That's kinda what I put him on though. Aq and aj are boats though..fml.

So...hero?

This spot sucks, i guess its a call, Villain could easily have AKd and be value betting fish and expecting you to fold Ax, trips, weaker two diamond flushes.
retard can turn up with terrible flushes here and villain knows that so thats the only reason id call

c9h13no3 said:

This is like the grossest spot ever. I think 9's full is probably the weakest hand you can't fold. Any flush, trips I could easily discard. 9's full is probably worse than the KdX in this spot, since you at least block some straight flushes with the Kd.

We're getting a pretty good price here if my math guess is right. But a fold seems totally within reason. Fish & reg have to both be overplaying flushes here.

On these forums, I fold. Probably can't do it in real life. Maybe if I run a simulation, and there are a ton of flush vs. Flush vs. Boat scenarios then I'd change my mind.

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Yep. Folding full houses suck but I think it could be the right play here

It's a fold, I don't even think it's all that close really, just a shitty spot.

There's no ****ing way a semi-competent player is playing a Kdxx hand like this in this spot when your range is so retarded strong.

Worth noting that two combos of straight flushes are out there, BTW.

I think its a clear call. You certainly have enough equity to stay in the hand, someone could run that on pokerstove and show it pretty easy. With the fish inflating the pot I don't see any point where this is a fold and I don't hate 3betting preflop even with the fish in the BB.

49,500 games 0.004 secs 12,375,000 games/sec

Board: Ad Qd 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.068% 59.66% 01.41% 29533 695.50 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 38.932% 37.53% 01.41% 18576 695.50 { AA, QQ, AJs+, A9s, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, JdTd, Jd8d, Td8d, Td7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 8d5d, 7d6d, 7d5d, 6d5d, 5d4d, AQo+, A9o, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs }

Then add in the fish's range which is probably very weak, only taking away a small amount of equity from your hand.

sixpeppers said:

49,500 games 0.004 secs 12,375,000 games/sec

Board: Ad Qd 9d As Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.068% 59.66% 01.41% 29533 695.50 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 38.932% 37.53% 01.41% 18576 695.50 { AA, QQ, AJs+, A9s, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, JdTd, Jd8d, Td8d, Td7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 8d5d, 7d6d, 7d5d, 6d5d, 5d4d, AQo+, A9o, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs }

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OTR I guess it all hangs on how often he bets the K. Obv he's never betting a smaller flush with no FE v the retard.

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24 games 0.000 secs 4,800 games/sec

Board: Ad Qd 9d As Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.000% 25.00% 00.00% 6 0.00 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 75.000% 75.00% 00.00% 18 0.00 { AA, QQ, AJs+, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Td8d, AQo-AJo, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs }

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with AK added in

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30 games 0.000 secs 6,000 games/sec

Board: Ad Qd 9d As Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.000% 40.00% 00.00% 12 0.00 { 9c9s }
Hand 1: 60.000% 60.00% 00.00% 18 0.00 { AA, QQ, AJs+, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Td8d, AJo+, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs }

Hero calls. Villain shows aq, retard mucks, hero feels like retard lol..

Good to see at least some good players on here split about it.

I rarely call/call/call...very aggressive player..and I think this shows why (even when calling is reasonable). I failed to get any real information on villains strength till river...was too distracted by retards free money. Learn from mistakes eh!

(I still think rivercall was ok as played..ill win it enough to be +EV. Just definitely change my pre, flop or turnplay.)

Poker_play said:

Hero calls. Villain shows aq, retard mucks, hero feels like retard lol..

Good to see at least some good players on here split about it.

I rarely call/call/call...very aggressive player..and I think this shows why (even when calling is reasonable). I failed to get any real information on villains strength till river...was too distracted by retards free money. Learn from mistakes eh!

(I still think rivercall was ok as played..ill win it enough to be +EV. Just definitely change my pre, flop or turnplay.)

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Did retard show btw?