$400 NLHE Full Ring: 77 OOP vs solid TAG

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Hi guys played an interesting hand at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $2000

Villain UTG+1 opens to $25. MP1, MP2, the CO and Hero in the BB calls holding 7:spade: 7:club:.

The flop comes: 4:diamond: 8:diamond: 4:spade: $127 in pot.

Villain bets $55. It's folded to Hero in the BB who calls.

The turn brings a 4:club: $237 in pot

It goes check check.

The river brings a 6:spade:

Hero???

Villain is a solid TAG who knows that paired boards rarely hit opponents' ranges so c-betting them even multi-way is profitable. With that being said, villain's range is still fairly wide and I'm ahead a high percentage of the time so I opted to call and evaluate the turn which brings another 4. At this point, villain's check indicates either KK+ or non paired hands since I believe that villain would bet 99-QQ to protect against an over card to his pair. With that being said, do you go for a thin value bet like $100 or check call a decent sized river bet from villain?

Thanks for the feedback guys!
 
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Why would villain treat KK+ any diff than 99-QQ on that turn???

I concur with the 2/3 pot sized bet, big enough to fold out some middle PP that beat us and villain would never be calling with a non-paired hand after she checked the turn.
 
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I would choose the second one, check call.

There is no guarantee that he would even bet. He might check back as well and go for a showdown.
 
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it's close imo. if there was no flush draw present on the flop it would be a clear check-call, but here i could go either way.

i bet more often if my opponent thinks i'm suspect. i check more if my opponent is tricky or spazzy (like if there's any chance he'd raise bluff a bet on my part.) most of the time you won't be able to extract value regardless (because he'll usually have overcards that would check back or fold to a bet).
 
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I would choose the second one, check call.

There is no guarantee that he would even bet. He might check back as well and go for a showdown.

Not bet for value, but for balance. Bet as if you do have made full house is quite important.
 
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Bet 1/3 the pot to extract value from a desperate AK or AQ. Fold to any raise. bluffing him off a higher pair is pretty much not going to happen unless you overbet representing 88, 66, or 4 of a kind. I still think that play would be a mistake since people have a hard time folding premium hands especially when they are a fullhouse. They could mistake that as a value bet with a lower full and use that as a rationalization to call.

If you bet 1/3 the pot on the river and he raises, fold and make a note of it. You may be able to make a play like this in the future with a value hand and induce raises.

Bet anymore and you'll most likely fold out those hands you beat which is not what you want.
 
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I agree I think somewhere around the 1/3 -1/2 pot bet is good here. Honestly, I don't think that a solid TAG is going to be checking the turn on a 4 8 4 4 board with pockets bigger than 33. I think most pairs here are betting for value. If he was a Tight passive player he might check KK here, but unlikely a TAG would be checking KK AA here unless you are a known aggressive player he expects to bet.

Based on his passive play to the river I think 7 7 is good here the vast majority of the time, meaning a value bet is in order. If he does happen to raise, then you just have to let this one go.
 
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I think check folding is the best option to choose on the river.

River bet after c-betting into 4 opponents is most likely to be for value than otherwise. :)
 
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For me it is a 1/3 or 2/3 pot bet here. I never played for that amount of money but basicly it is the same for smaller blinds. He will raise with over pairs and call with low pairs, so give it a try and take notes on what happens to be aware of in later hands like this one
 
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