$400 NLHE Full Ring: $500NLHE Full Ring

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This is a live game at a local casino. 2/5 NL.
Villian is UTG with $430. Hero is UTG +2 with $800. UTG raises to $25, 1 fold, Hero with QQ 3bets to $75, folds around to UTG who calls.
Flop: JTT 2 diamonds, we have 2 black Qs. UTG checks..
I'm interested to know, what the best action is here:
1. Bet $75
2. Bet $100
3. Check behind.
 
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Any reads on the Villain? What has he previously raised 5x? LAG?

I'd bet around $75. we have top pair, there is a diamond flush potential but $75 doesn't give him a value bet. It's a big raise from UTG.

KK, AA, JJ and any 10 have us beat but there are plenty of other hands we have beat.
 
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Sorry, I forgot to mention reads. No actual reads yet. Semi new player. Seems like a competent TAG.
 
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One other thing I forgot to mention.
$20-$30 raise PF is a general opening raise. $25 is usually the most common in live $500 NL.
So his $25 PFR isn't really large at all.
 
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I think you have to bet here, $100 in the pot id make it $65. If he raises im out, hopefully he calls or folds this one.
 
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I think you have to bet here, $100 in the pot id make it $65. If he raises im out, hopefully he calls or folds this one.
Actually, there is ~$150 in the pot after the blinds and rake.
 
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The reason why I post this is because I was unsure that betting is actually correct.

Give board texture and the small info I have, I think the range of hands I beat is small.

If I assume he bet/calls OOP with TT+ and AK+ and MAYBE AQs (although may or may not be likely), what does betting accomplish?

I can't beat TT, JJ, KK,AA. All of those hands make sense. I think that draws are unlikely here, except AK diamonds, especially given his stack size. Less than 100 BBs, I'm not sure he plays a drawing hand like JT, etc., OOP.

So, if I bet here, TT, JJ, KK, AA at least call as well as AK diamonds which I still don't really crush. So, I'm making a bet that really only gets called by hands that beat me.

If I get check-raised, I still kinda fall under the same category.. He might raise with TT+ and AKs of diamonds and maybe AK as a bluff.

Also, when I bet here, I fold out basically all of the hands that I beat. All PPs below TT, AKo, etc.

So, basically, a bet here gets calls from only hands that beat me and I open my self to get raised and put in a horrible spot. Therefore, I figure checking behind is a better play to keep the pot controlled and use my positional advantage to get him to tell me more about his hand..
Thoughts?
 
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Problem is, competent villains aren't flatting kk+ OOP often at 500nl live(I'd assume, maybe baudib can weigh in he plays more live). His flat pre means weakness some im putting him on TT/JJmiddle pairs, suited broadways so I think betting is good here
 
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People flat with all kinds of shit here.

JTx is a board that everyone's range hits in some way. You have an overpair in a 3-bet pot that will see a lot of bad turn cards. I'd bet $75.
 
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People flat with all kinds of shit here.

JTx is a board that everyone's range hits in some way. You have an overpair in a 3-bet pot that will see a lot of bad turn cards. I'd bet $75.
I understand.
It was just tough for me to reason, given the limited amount of information, that someone who seemed like a competent villain would bet/call PF UTG with a bigger range than TT+ or AK+ and maybe AQs.
Incoporate some reads and playing time with villain, I understand we can adjust his range based on reads.
With that said, you are saying that with no reads, most villains' UTG bet/calling ranges is wider than I reasoned?
 
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That would be a 'competent' player's range. This is a readless 500nl live player - more suited crap, more pairs, more value in betting the flop (and 3betting pf; my standard play vs a fullstacked unknown at FR would be to flat pf with basically my entire range here except maybe AA).
 
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