$400 NLHE Full Ring: $500 NLHE A-K in SB... Line check, thoughts...

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$2/$5 NLHE live hand from last night, MGM Grand in Detroit....


Our image has to be somewhat tight. For whatever reason though, people seem to think I bluff more than I actually do.

So, we pick up A-Ko in SB.

There are two limpers, we raise to $25, one caller. He is a loose gambooler. He isn't super aggro, but he isn't rolling over passive either.

Effective stacks probably about $900- $1k. It's close, but I think we cover V slightly.


Flop Ad-Kd-6h. ($60ish)


We have board covered. We check, dude bets $25.

We think it over, and raise to $85. I believe V will call. He doesn't like to fold. He does call.


Turn Qs. ($230ish)


We hesitate, think things through. We bet $150. Dude hesitates and calls.


At this point, I am thinking he may have a draw? Pocket 6-6 is out, he would have raised by now. I am really in the dark here. I think shitty A-X and FDs are what he has probably.


River 4h. ($530ish) Board reads Ad-Kd-6h-Qs-4h



At this point, I dont really think V has a hand he can call a big bet with. I am hoping he bets and value owns himself, or he will attempt to bluff, because we took a pretty strange line here. I am pretty sure he is confused and has no idea what I have.


So we check. V bets $225. We call.




I was hoping some of you might have some thoughts and advice on how to play this hand? I just want to know if there is anything I could have done differently? Line check?



Thanks in advance.
 
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I dont get the logic for checking flop after we say villain isnt super aggro but doesnt like to fold. I feel like we probably lose a ton by not just cbetting naturally ourselves.

River is interesting, Obviously we get value from missed flush draws here but my thinking is his line tends to be closer to weak Ax type hands which arent going to bet. Depends on where you skew his range i guess if you put it closer to Ax or weaker 2 pair, you bet, if you put his range closer to draws you check.

I personally think its the latter and thus i bet myself, probably around his sizing anyway.
 
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I dont get the logic for checking flop after we say villain isnt super aggro but doesnt like to fold. I feel like we probably lose a ton by not just cbetting naturally ourselves.

River is interesting, Obviously we get value from missed flush draws here but my thinking is his line tends to be closer to weak Ax type hands which arent going to bet. Depends on where you skew his range i guess if you put it closer to Ax or weaker 2 pair, you bet, if you put his range closer to draws you check.

I personally think its the latter and thus i bet myself, probably around his sizing anyway.


Thanks for the feedback man.


These games at the casino, people seem to stab alot and make bad bets, thus the check on flop. However, I used to just bet here most of the time, but my friends and I have discussed this very scenario alot over the last few months, and the concensus was in the 2/5 games we check mostly to let them stab. My default play used to be bet. I was blowing people off hands alot though here and there.


Truth be told, I didn't have a very clear idea what he had. I thought it was mostly weak hands that wouldn't call a bet, but may stab river.



Is there any value to C/R on the river as played?
 
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I did think of the check raise but i figured while we are ahead of a villain bet range, i dont know if we are ahead of a call c/r on river after c/r flop and bet turn.

I think its just one of those spots where we have to take what we get
 
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I did think of the check raise but i figured while we are ahead of a villain bet range, i dont know if we are ahead of a call c/r on river after c/r flop and bet turn.

I think its just one of those spots where we have to take what we get


Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Like he may find a fold except in cases where he has 6-6, J-10dd.


I think in the future I just bet 1/2 pot ish on these flops against most opponents.
 
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I like the line and your sizing with this particular holding when you are that deep. A 2pair hand like this is difficult to get his whole stack with and to get any significant money out of him you are going to need to let him catch up to a worse 2pair on a board devoid of flushes and too many straight possibilities.
The fact that the top two diamonds are on the board obviously significantly reduces the chances of him have a FD down to maybe 6-8 combos depending on if he likes limp calling with his suited connectors. That being the case it's a fairly safe board to be able to give a free card and help disguise our holding and let him catch up.
So AJ AT or KQ make the most sense to me for flop stab and turn call with a pair/gutter to the nuts or 2pair. I presume most would open AQ rather than limp it.
It's a decent brick for our hand on the end. I'm not sure if it's better to bet or check call on the end. I would have thought AJ AT and any lower Ax just check behind a lot here especially if he's passive but two pair hands should probably bet fold. On balance I think I prefer a bet on the end somewhere between 40-60% pot but I think checking the end reduces variance and it would be a really sick spot to get check raised on the end.
3 streets of value..Nice hand.
 
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I like the line and your sizing with this particular holding when you are that deep. A 2pair hand like this is difficult to get his whole stack with and to get any significant money out of him you are going to need to let him catch up to a worse 2pair on a board devoid of flushes and too many straight possibilities.
The fact that the top two diamonds are on the board obviously significantly reduces the chances of him have a FD down to maybe 6-8 combos depending on if he likes limp calling with his suited connectors. That being the case it's a fairly safe board to be able to give a free card and help disguise our holding and let him catch up.
So AJ AT or KQ make the most sense to me for flop stab and turn call with a pair/gutter to the nuts or 2pair. I presume most would open AQ rather than limp it.
It's a decent brick for our hand on the end. I'm not sure if it's better to bet or check call on the end. I would have thought AJ AT and any lower Ax just check behind a lot here especially if he's passive but two pair hands should probably bet fold. On balance I think I prefer a bet on the end somewhere between 40-60% pot but I think checking the end reduces variance and it would be a really sick spot to get check raised on the end.
3 streets of value..Nice hand.

Thanks for the thoughts! I really like what you had to say.
 
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