Originally Posted by bgomez89
1)you said you would've gotten the same amount of callers of you raised more. If that isn't enough for you to raise to 25 then you have a serious leak.
2) you're making the mistake in thinking that live players are going to pick up on this. They won't. They're fish.
3) if I was playing online and had kk in this spot, you bet your ass I'd raise to 25 if I knew I'd still get a bunch of callers
Ok, sorry. I don't post on the forums much, so sometimes I'm not good at trying to relay all of my ideas across.
At the time I am making my raise I don't know that I'm going to get all of these calls. What I was saying is that given the hands at this exact moment, when I did raise, villains were going to call 25 or 15. Does that make sense? It doesn't mean that everytime I raise I'm getting 4 callers. It means that in this case, I happened to get 4 callers. Their holdings at that moment were such that, a $10 difference in opening raise wasn't going to deter them to fold. That's why I said if I raised to $25, the result was still going to be the same.
I definitely agree, if I was going to get called by 4 people EVERYTIME I raise, hell ya, I'd pop it to $55 pre-flop and ship it all day post-flop.
It is has happened many times in this session where someone opens for $15 and everyone folds.
As for live players being fish, I agree at limits of $300 NL and below and maybe $500 NLHE and below at other places. Our casino here in California
has 2/5, 5/10, and 10/20 games regularly.. I've played here for a long time live and players here at $500 NLHE + are not the same fish as the lower limits. I agree there are more fish live than online but I don't think I make that big of a mistake to assume this villains, which I have some history with, in this hand, to not be fish.