$400 NLHE Full Ring: $500 NLHE Live (2/5)

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I was just curious as to how you guys handle live donkbets?

Back when I played online, donkbets at say the $10 NLHE levels and maybe $25 NLHE levels, are generally weak hands, draws or weaker top pairs.

Obviously, anything can happen but I'm just saying in general.

Depending on villain, read, etc., I generally try to raise donkbets. However, when playing live, most people call the donkbet.

Anyways:

I just sat down and I am UTG. Villain is in the BB with $700. I have $500.

I raise $20 with JJ.

Folds to villain, who calls.

Flop 852 with 2 diamonds, he donks $20. Hero?

I have no reads.

Since this texture does offer him a lot of draws, what action do you take facing his donkbet?
 
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Reads on villain? He fishy? Aggro? He donk bet before
Online I'd flat this all day long. Live we could be looking at much wider ranges both pre and for calling our raise so a small raise could be good if villains a fish.

Vs an unknown I flat. I'd happily concede this to not be the right choice as I've no idea how 500NL live unknowns play as I've little live experience. If he is capable of holding 8x or 67 or capable of 3betting light raise this up. If his range from the blinds is very tight and just includes AQ/AJ/22-JJ flat.
 
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A lot of live players will bet into a raiser on a flop they think missed the raiser, very few live players know what a blocking bet is. You have to decide here whether you want to go passive and call down what is likely the best hand or you want to build a pot with a raise. My default play here is to raise to $60.
 
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Thanks for the replies.
That is exactly what I did. I popped it to $65.
Turn is T of diamonds.
Villain checks, hero?
My logic was that he is definitely checking the turn here whether he made is draw or had an 8, etc. Although I have no reads, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have air. I believe checking behind here is fine. I have no diamond in my hand.
Thoughts?
 
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At this point I'm now looking to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. Villain should be putting you on overs now and knows that this turn is scary. I'd check here and call any river bets less than 2/3 of the pot if the river is not a diamond, fold if the river is a diamond.
 
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Exactly my thought process. I check behind.

River is black K of clubs.

Funny how you talk about 2/3 river bet. Either this guy is REALLY good but his bet-sizing was spot-on, on the river.

On the river, there is about $170 in the pot after the $4 rake.

Villain bets $100. Really close to 2/3rds pot.

Does villain make this bet here with anything we can beat? If villian puts overs in our range, then he is definitely doing a good job of repping the flush.

I'm not sure if this is a profitable call because I can't imagine how often he shows up here with anything < JJ
 
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Well I've seen a lot of live players do a lot of strange things. Many players will bet here with any hand and say 'The only way I could win was to bet, nice call.' etc. With no reads, the donk bet, the preflop & flop flats, I'm inclined to think that this player is not that good and I'd make the crying call, muck and reload if I am beat.
 
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im 3 bet shoving over the flop raise, if he wants to chase a draw to our JJ then let him do it for all his money, If not then you can set him up by flatting later hands in similar spots, ur still taking the pot down about 60% of the time i think here
 
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im 3 bet shoving over the flop raise, if he wants to chase a draw to our JJ then let him do it for all his money, If not then you can set him up by flatting later hands in similar spots, ur still taking the pot down about 60% of the time i think here

Really? Villain has 140 BB and hero has 100 BB starting stacks.

After the flop raise I have 83 BB and villain has 123 BB. Pot has 34 BB. I think at the 2/5 level, we rarely get a call for 83 BB from villain on a draw.

I think we only get calls on that flop with a hand that already beats us or coinflip hands like pairs with FD, straight and FD type hands.

I'd rather get 83 BB in the middle with more equity than that. If I ship it, I only fold out the hands that I beat anyways.
 
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im 3 bet shoving over the flop raise, if he wants to chase a draw to our JJ then let him do it for all his money, If not then you can set him up by flatting later hands in similar spots, ur still taking the pot down about 60% of the time i think here
lolwat?

I like raising flop. I think villain can call with random 8x, 99/TT, SDs and FDs too. I'd probably raise to 80 tho. I'd probably check back the turn too but it might not be the best play
 
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I guess i call, i think unknown turns up with A10, A8 8x enough.

he capable of turning a smaller pair into a bluff?

nice hand
 
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