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$400 NL HE Full Ring: $500 NLHE Full Ring LIVE

There isn't a selection for 2/5, so I selected 2/4.

This hand is for a live game at a local casino. Table is at least 100bb deep.

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MP just sat down with $500. No reads, this is his first hand.
BB lost a couple hands, and started tilting by spewing chips and/or chasing draws relentlessly.

I have KK OTB.

Action:

MP open limps, I raise to $25. BB and MP both call. Flop: 774 2 diamonds.

BB, MP check. I bet $65. BB calls, MP raises to $165. Action?

Does MP villian's range shrink to A7, T7, 87, 44, 56d, type hands? I couldn't see a normal player open-limping in MP with 99+. So I wasn't sure that overpairs were in his range.

I'm obviously not folding but with tilting BB to act, do I just flat and re-eval on turn?
 
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Since you're in position, use it. Call, see what he does.
 
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Since you're in position, use it. Call, see what he does.

Yup. My thoughts exactly. Thanks.

Edit: One other thing. By calling you are saying that we are concerning more with the fact that we are already beat than the possibility of a draw? My point is, in which situations would you consider raising here?
 
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Yup. My thoughts exactly. Thanks.

Edit: One other thing. By calling you are saying that we are concerning more with the fact that we are already beat than the possibility of a draw? My point is, in which situations would you consider raising here?
Oh, wow, didn't see that the BB called. This kinda makes things worse for us, since we have to beat two players, and one of them is likely to have a pretty big hand.

Well, our opponents have a range, so sure draws are part of it, but there's a lot of made hands in there as well.

Monsters - 77, 7x, 44
1 Pair hands - 55-66, 88-JJ, maybe some slowplayed QQ+
Good draws - 65, flush draws.
Bluffs/Weak draws - Overcards, 86, 53, 45, A4.

Since he's check/raising two players, the odds of him having a pure bluff go down pretty significantly. So I'd lean more towards one of our opponent's having a legitimate hand.

When I originally wrote my post I thought it was just you, heads up on the flop. In that case, there are a lot of bluffs in our opponent's range, and we want to get value from those by calling and letting him fire another barrel. We also gain equity against the draws. If we shove and get called by an ace high flush draw, we're not really all that far ahead. But if we put all the money in on the turn when the flush draw misses, we gain a lot of equity against our opponent.

But as played, since our opponent is raising two players, its kinda ugly. I'd probably just fold.
 
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whats our stack?
whats BBs stack?
 
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Do we have the Kd in our hand? With 100 BB effective stacks, I probably just stick it in, in this spot. We protect from flush and straight draws, can get called by smaller overpairs if players are bad and or tilting, and if we flat and BB flats, we arent folding a blank turn anyway, so were paying off 7x as it is. Deeper, Id flat and reevaluate the turn
 
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Do we have the Kd in our hand? With 100 BB effective stacks, I probably just stick it in, in this spot. We protect from flush and straight draws, can get called by smaller overpairs if players are bad and or tilting, and if we flat and BB flats, we arent folding a blank turn anyway, so were paying off 7x as it is. Deeper, Id flat and reevaluate the turn

We don't have Kd.

Ok, my original thinking was the flat and reeval turn but I ended up getting it in. BB folded and of course MP called. BB claimed he was on the FD. Turns out MP open limped K7o! LOL wtf?

When I was thinking of flatting and assessing turn, the pot would already be huge compared to stacks. I would have invested almost 30% of my stack by the turn and I would still be against 2 opponents on a wet board.

Most players at 1/3, 2/3, 2/5 etc are bad, for the most part. There are of course good players but still the majority are bad at 2/5 live.
 
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We don't have Kd.

Ok, my original thinking was the flat and reeval turn but I ended up getting it in. BB folded and of course MP called. BB claimed he was on the FD. Turns out MP open limped K7o! LOL wtf?

When I was thinking of flatting and assessing turn, the pot would already be huge compared to stacks. I would have invested almost 30% of my stack by the turn and I would still be against 2 opponents on a wet board.

Most players at 1/3, 2/3, 2/5 etc are bad, for the most part. There are of course good players but still the majority are bad at 2/5 live.

I'm not a live player, but they say 500NL live is like 10NL online, why are you surprised of a random limping K7o?
 
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With the texture of the board and the action preflop, I've got to think you've got the best hand. There's just to many hands you actually beat in this situation to fold, so I'd probably shove and hope like heck nobody has pocket 7's or 4's. I play live casino 1/2nl games all the time and some of the more aggresive players would make this move with a pair of 8's or higher and you're beating 8's thru J's, that's a lot of hands you're ahead of. You're also beating any draws, I'd reluctantly stick it all in and hope for the best. It could've been an elaborate bluff with two high paint cards too. And if he called a 25 dollar raise with K7o, you should be licking your chops because you're at a WEAK table.
 
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I play a lot of live poker, and I think the KEY fact is that he check-raised TWO people here.

Live players are usually not creative/stupid/smart/reckless enough to have worse hands here A LOT, sometimes sure you'll see JJ-TT, etc. But usally those hands lead or just flat.

He almost has to have a really strong hand his willing to play for stacks with, if his willing to CR two people. I would definately not weight his hands towards bluffs and more towards legimate hands as someone has already mentioned.

Call, and re-eval is tough too since a call will commit large portion of your stack... and folding to a turn shove sucks.
 
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If I were in the hand, I'd be in trouble. While I have trouble folding KK here, I can't figure villain's move for a bluff, especially since it's his first hand.

I could see folding here being an easy move. Also, I'd like to raise a little more with an open limper.

If it weren't his first hand, and we had some history with him, I might be more inclined to look him up.

But as is I consider dumping.
 
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