Originally Posted by MediaBLITZ
Okay so you are saying check call but your very next post says check fold. Don't you want to maintain initiative against a player like this or are you saying hand it over to him?
I'm sure open to learning here, but help me out cause I'm slow.
With mediocre value our aim is to catch bluffs. If our hand is not strong enough to get worse hands to call or weak enough to get better hands to fold betting will get us nowere and we should check/call or check/fold to make money from villains bluffs or get out whilst we can depending on his range.
Your looking to bet here to get villain to fold right? What sort of hands do we fold?
Weaker value: We beat at showdown anyway, why risk money "bluffing"
Draws: If villain knows his odds
unfortuntantly we cannot get him to make a mistake by putting $150 or so in the pot. If we check/call he will bet those draws for us and we get his $150, even better he may bluff the river and we make even more money from him.
Air: Folds to our bet, if we check/call he can bluff and we can make money even from his floated junk.
The reason people avoid checking out of position after leading a previous street is because it's difficult. Whether to check/call or check/fold is a tough decision where we need to know or approximate villains range very well especially if we need to account for further streets.
It basically comes down to if villain will bluff if we check to him let him and catch his bluffs. If villain won't bluff we should fold as nothing worse will call us and we've little fear of worse hands taking the pot from us.
Originally Posted by Deco
What do you hope to fold that we don't already beat?
Ask yourself this everytime you bluff. If there isn't anything or very little you should generally
check/call or check/fold.