$400 NLHE Full Ring: $400 NLHE : Laggy hero flops nuts

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Live, $2/5
Hero dealt 9s 9c in sb.
Mp makes it $15. Button raises to $45. Hero calls, mp folds.

Flop. 9d 3h 3s.

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Hero $1300, villain covers by 3-400
Mp is fishy...will open close to 35% of hands, folds to 3bets all the time...so hero felt it was ok to setmine vs main villain here (very unlikely mp fires back pre)

Villain is a freakin nit. Very tight pre..he flopped top set to take down a huge pot earlierr.

Hero is lagtard. Barrels, ch/raise blufffs, 4bet pre flop..got everyone to fold..showed 75o. Playing 30%ish preflop and def have that image on the table.

How to take advantage of this situation? What's the plan for the hand...c/c c/c c/r?

C/r flop?

Tougher for me oop when villain has initiative imo. I can usually cbet and barrel and still have ppl thinkin I'm FOS
 
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IMO donk it. Let him cautiously call 3 streets w/ his overpair. 3b flop if you're raised- just under pot turn
 
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If you've been C-R a lot then C-R this flop for sure, especially given villain's nitty image.
 
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Actually, just realized MP is a fish. So yeah, donking is good and flatting flop if MP calls and BTN raises is also good. If you donk, MP calls and BTN raises, MP flats again, then donk turn.
 
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If you've been C-R a lot then C-R this flop for sure, especially given villain's nitty image.

MP folded pre, so I prefer this. Nits can't let go of overpairs vs LAGs.
 
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oh wtf would help if I could read. Yeah, C-R for sure.
 
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MP folded pre, so I prefer this. Nits can't let go of overpairs vs LAGs.

to check raises they can. hes still gunna think hes good OTF if you c/r and call, but hes gunna be super cautious when you bomb turn and river, hell be looking at retarded straights and BD FDs that made it. he wont be scared like that if you just donk/bet/bet. if he raises flop, c/c turn and donk river imo cos hes checking back a ton.

EDIT: only just saw how massive ESS is. yeah you need a raise in there to stack. sticking with 3b flop and lead turn & riv. if hes gunna raise an overpair on the flop, hes gunna call your flop 3b
 
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Given hero's image and the strength of villain's range, it's very unlikely he'll give you credit for a hand. This is a total airball flop, Yeti theorem applies.

Edit: Cafe is 100% correct in that the most common form of live "nit" is actually a TAGfish who can't fold a good hand.
 
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Like you said, yeti applies an he can't give up his hand. Therefore donk/3b flop gets in more money and is consequently superior to check raising
 
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no, it looks way stronger than C-R here.
 
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Given hero's image and the strength of villain's range, it's very unlikely he'll give you credit for a hand. This is a total airball flop, Yeti theorem applies

no, it [3bing, ie yeti theorem] looks way stronger than C-R here.

Yeah um....you just contradicted yourself. Regardless, it doesn't matter how strong it looks as long as he calls. If he's calling a c/r he's calling a 3b OTF, so why not pick the option that gets te most in the middle.
 
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Its one thing to be a "nit" and a whole nother thing to be a nit with player ability. If this guy has ability he will see through you and fold his AKs - PP. You would need to milk him a little more. If hes got low ability - can't read - thinks ur a fish etc...raise more. Trick is to keep him on the line with out spooking him. If a real bad card comes on turn/river it might come back to bite you so raising large is always gd here. (Like A,K,Q on turn could set him up for bigger boat)
 
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If we can comfortably get stacks in with 3 streets then we just let him fire his entire range, but here we need to c/r despite folding out the AK part of his range just to make sure we get stacks in by the river vs his pairs considering he is in fact that nitty.
 
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