$400 NLHE 6-max: Flopped set on coordinated board

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This is not a true no limit game, actually 5-100 spread limit, but that option was not available. But this makes a difference in analysis as I would have played differently. Players have all be playing tight.
eta, sorry for the wrong title, somehow I messed up the limit and can't change it.

Preflop: Hero is SB with :qc4: :qh4:
UTG bets 10, MP calls, Hero bets 25, SB folds, BB calls, UTGcalls, MP calls.


Flop: (100) :kc4: :qs4: :10c4: (4 players)
BB checks, UTG check, MP check, Hero bets 75, UTG calls 75

Turn: (250) :3h4: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 100, BB calls

River: (450) :Jc: (2 players)
BB bets 100. Hero folds


Total pot: 450
 
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I should add, I think the preflop raise was too small, but that aside, what can you reasonably put the BB on? Would you have called the river? I have some strong post hand feelings about it and wanted to know what others though.
 
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this live or online?

and personally, bet more on the turn, that board is too co-ordinated so if we get called its gonna be by a strong hand or a hand with at least 4 outs normally.

$200 on the turn imo.

and we can think about calling river, even though its the worst card in the deck (the Ac would mean we had blockers to the absolute nuts) can he not bet 2 pairs and worse sets here?
 
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OMGITSOVER9K said:
this live or online?

and personally, bet more on the turn, that board is too co-ordinated so if we get called its gonna be by a strong hand or a hand with at least 4 outs normally.

$200 on the turn imo.

and we can think about calling river, even though its the worst card in the deck (the Ac would mean we had blockers to the absolute nuts) can he not bet 2 pairs and worse sets here?
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Thanks, Live game. Table had been pretty quiet for a while, not much action.

If I could have bet 200 on the turn I would have but it was a spread game with a 100 limit. :(
It was the worst card in the deck, made too many hands that could beat me, but I think he played me. I don't think he had the clubs becasue he would have had to call preflop (after raise and reraise with two people acting behind him) with Ace little or two small suited. In post hand analysis the only thing I can put him on is K-10 with a semibluff on the river.
 
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OMGITSOVER9K said:
this live or online?

and personally, bet more on the turn, that board is too co-ordinated so if we get called its gonna be by a strong hand or a hand with at least 4 outs normally.

$200 on the turn imo.

and we can think about calling river, even though its the worst card in the deck (the Ac would mean we had blockers to the absolute nuts) can he not bet 2 pairs and worse sets here?
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I don't think there's anyway he's betting 2 pair for value there. Even lesser sets seems ridiculous to me he'd just check call. I believe the Queens are entirely a bluff catcher at this point, and am probably folding.
 
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its a live game, people do dumb shit.

umm, you can't semi-bluff a river.. he has no outs. (semi-bluff = raising flops/turns with a hand with equity.. e.g KT on QJx boards)

I honestly think he can still be betting worse hands on the river, happens all the time in live games.. works as a blocker too so we just flat like AK or whatever and he gets a cheaper showdown.

people are lolbad in live games, we need to stop assuming they think at all.. they limp call TT pre on a regular basis, KK's very unlikely but JJ's a possibility and so is weak broadway. he could easily have KJ here for example?
 
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OMGITSOVER9K said:
its a live game, people do dumb shit.

umm, you can't semi-bluff a river.. he has no outs. (semi-bluff = raising flops/turns with a hand with equity.. e.g KT on QJx boards)

I honestly think he can still be betting worse hands on the river, happens all the time in live games.. works as a blocker too so we just flat like AK or whatever and he gets a cheaper showdown.

people are lolbad in live games, we need to stop assuming they think at all.. they limp call TT pre on a regular basis, KK's very unlikely but JJ's a possibility and so is weak broadway. he could easily have KJ here for example?
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OK, should not have said semi-bluff, my bad... what I meant was he had a hand, but was representing the flush
This was NOT a table of bad players. All were pretty good. I'd say I was the weakest by far. TT or JJ would be possible as well as KT, KQ or KJ. Which goes to my point, I think I should have called because all of those make more sense than the hands that could beat me.
AK maybe.... but I know 2 of the aces folded, so I'd be surprised
thanks for playing!
 
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