€400 NLHE 6-max: A,A - how would you play it?

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€400 NL HE 6-max: A,A - how would you play it?

I've already posted this on another site - I just want opinions given this time on what you would do in the same situation. So I'll post the hand in steps, as if you were playing it.

This is on Ladbrokes

** Hand # 2688908567 starting - 2009-06-28 14:57:25
** Columbine [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 NL - Cash Game) real money

el_paellero sitting in seat 1 with €141.20
MGB77 sitting in seat 2 with €375.31
mrsafe sitting in seat 3 with €394.00
caso_ sitting in seat 4 with €394.00[Dealer]
Graeme86 sitting in seat 5 with €420.30
Timmehhh1 sitting in seat 6 with €400.00
Graeme86 posted the small blind - €2.00
Timmehhh1 posted the big blind - €4.00

** Dealing cards to Graeme86: Ac, As
el_paellero folded
MGB77 folded
mrsafe folded
caso_ raised to €16.00
Graeme86 raised to €56.00
Timmehhh1 folded
caso_ called - €56.00

** Dealing the flop: Ad, Ah, 7d

Reads that I have:
el_paellero - typical short stacker, tries to play properly with reasonable hands (A,10 or higher) but will push all in preflopwith any pocket pair & A,K.
MGB77 - only just sat down at table & lost first hand
mrsafe - only just sat down at table - no plays yet
caso_ - Solid player, isn't scared of mucking good hands if he thinks he's beaten
Timmehhh1 - quite loose, likes to bully & bluff a lot
 
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Maybe I should put the rest of the hand in to help?

** Dealing the flop: Ad, Ah, 7d
Graeme86 checked
caso_ checked

** Dealing the turn: Jd
Graeme86 checked
caso_ bet - €72.00
Graeme86 called - €72.00

** Dealing the river: Qd
Graeme86 checked
caso_ bet - €188.00
Graeme86 went all-in - €292.30
caso_ went all-in - €78.00
 
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Your line looks ok to me. His line is consistent with JJ/QQ, and I'd be surprised if he called KTs pf. I don't think there's any way to put him exactly on that hand and fold the river, if that's your question.

If you thought he would've felt committed on the turn (1/3 of his stack is already in), you could've shoved him all in then. I'd want to be really confident he bets the river rather than checking behind (which I'd be worried JJ might do) in order to check the river.
 
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you're line is okay. You did win, right? only 1 hand beats you and i doubt he'd call with king 10 of diamonds..., he could just have a regular flush.
 
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Thanks for your replies. Unfortunately I didn't win with this hand (also wasn't at a bad beat table dammit! lol) I really want to get to the bottom of this, as after losing I feel like I played the hand very badly.

Graeme86 shows: Ac, As
caso_ shows: Kd, 10d
caso_ wins €789.00 from the main pot

Rake: €3.00

I had him on either K,K, one of which being a diamond or J,J, that's why I was happy to only flat call the turn and was confident he'd bet once the river card had turned another diamond. I am also confident that he only had me on trip Aces, hence why I try and look scared of the flush draw.

I can't fault his play, apart from possibly his pre-flop call, but we can all call a hand like that from time to time. I am certain (now I know what cards he had) that he would've called an all in re-raise on the turn and all that would have done would make me more gutted about the outcome.

Do you think there's a realistic way I'd have been able to get him out on the flop? By this I mean, would it have been sensible to have bet the flop with quad Aces. A value bet would have been called (as he's quite confident a nut flush would win it) as he has roughly a 37% chance of hitting - so a bet of up to roughly $45 possibly would have been called. If I bet any higher I probably would have got him out, but would you really want to bet someone out on the flop when you have 4 Aces?

Thanks, I appreciate it.
 
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On the flop, there are exactly two four card combinations that can beat you assuming he's calling w broadway cards. I don't want him to fold the flop - if he's holding two cards from one of those combos, he's a huge dog. Based on pf, the most likely hands he's got are 99-JJ, maybe QQ - letting one of them catch up is a good idea. If he's drawing to a flush on the turn, I want him to do that as well (but I want him to put money in the pot), since he's got a one outer at that point.

Runner runner straight flushes are hugely improbable, you can't plan strategy around avoiding them.

Short term, these situations seriously suck - this is a replay of a wsop 2008 hand, quad AA's losing to a royal - and there's a serious "OMG WTF the poker gods hate me!!!" moment. Long term, however, you'll be much more profitable laughing this one off (as hard and absurd as that statement sounds).
 
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So pretty much what you're saying is, I could have played the hand a little differently, but I'd have still lost anyway, unless I stupidly overbet the flop? So there was no way I could get out of the hand? That's good then, it makes me feel a lot better about it as I was so annoyed with myself afterwards with how I played it.

I know what you mean about laughing it off and I should be able to do this fairly easily, it would have been much harder if I'd have pushed all in on the turn and he'd then caught on the river - I think I'd have quit poker for good then!

I think the loss is good for me in a way, because it's made me take a look at my game a lot more closely. I enjoy poker a lot, but I take a lot of bad beats, I know it's no more or less than anyone else, (I don't class the hand above as a bad beat) but they are always expensive ones, which makes me think I'm too weak to be a ring game player.

So I've now transferred over to playing solely SnG's & MTT's. I've not started off too badly - I've played 2 SnG's, won the holdem one, finished 2nd in Hi/Lo Omaha (I accidentally entered this room - I have no idea how to play Hi/Lo) and I've played 2 MTT's one a €10 bounty with 180 odd players & finished 2nd and a €2k guaranteed €5 entry, with 690 players and finished 92nd, 22 places outside the payout.
 
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i dont think your play is incorrect at all, this is a big cooler.
u have pocket aces and you flop quads, after that all u want to do is to get all the money in somehow and you achieved that. There is no way you would fold quad aces even if u put him on what he has. If u cant get value with quad aces then with what would you get with.
 
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i dont think your play is incorrect at all, this is a big cooler.
u have pocket aces and you flop quads, after that all u want to do is to get all the money in somehow and you achieved that. There is no way you would fold quad aces even if u put him on what he has. If u cant get value with quad aces then with what would you get with.

^^^ This.

Im certainly not an online cash game expert, but duh. Flop quads, get as much money in as possible plz.
 
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