$400 NLHE 6-max: $ : 400NL what do you put him on?

$400 NL HE 6-max: $ : 400NL what do you put him on?

I put him on a9 after the check raise on the flop what do yall think?

poker stars $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 860635
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BB: $547.55
UTG: $168.25
CO: $417.45
Hero (BTN): $991.25
SB: $159.20

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with T :club: T :heart:
1 fold, CO calls $4, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, CO calls $12

Flop: ($38.00) 2 :club: 3 :heart: 9 :diamond: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $24.00, CO raises to $64, Hero calls $40

Turn: ($166.00) 6 :heart: (2 players)
CO bets $96.00, Hero calls $96

River: ($358.00) 6 :spade: (2 players)
CO bets $241.45, Hero calls $241.45

jj or a set

maybe qq or kk, and didnt reraise preflop -scared of a king or ace hitting the board.

whatever it is, its ahead of tt, unless the player is . . . . . lololololol

ive seen players push there still with aq and ak thinking-" i got 2 more streets to go and i have overcards to the board, maybe i can put some pressure on em and theyll fold" but its usually the stuff i wrote earlier.

especialy with the reraise they made, theyre usually not reraising like that with ak aq unless. . . . .lolol

i always tell ppl the hands that have cost me the most over the yrs are 1s where i have an overpair to the board but my opponent has a better overpair in their hand.

On the flop I'd say A9s/22/33/99/45/ all pairs 66-JJ. BTW if my range for the flop raise is correct our equity sucks on the turn.

Your range is right so i should have just dumped it after the st8 draw gets there on the turn?

96$ turn bet made me feel 96s
do you have any preflop stats? it is hard to assign a preflop range for limp calling on the co wtihout any stats.

1or2 rounds so no 0 reads on player.

JOEBOB69 said:

Your range is right so i should have just dumped it after the st8 draw gets there on the turn?

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Pretty hard to fold the turn but I don't think you should be calling the river shove all that often without knowing he'll spew.

I still think he would have played a9 the same exact way.But he had the set of 2's which makes since also.I was more worried about 45 suited at the time don't know why.I just spewed off here just following my a9 read and sticking with it.

Just because he might have played A9 the same way doesn't mean it's right to call the river. You made the mistake of putting your opponent on a particular hand without considering how your hand did against his range. That's easy enough to do but it can get expensive.

There simply isn't 3 streets of value in this hand on this board. If you plan to fold to a raise on the flop, you're almost turning your hand into a bluff when you have considerable showdown value. That said, this player is an unknown who limps from the CO, so that almost certainly makes this player bad. But you don't know where his big leaks are post-flop yet, so it doesn't make too much of a difference he limp-calls. If you get raised on this flop here, I think you have to fold. You have to always anticipate how you will react to a c-bet if you get raised, and if you're not happy with folding to a raise but not happy with getting raised, then it's often better to take out a street of betting and just check behind with a strongish made hand like tens here. I think this argument weighs more heavily than the line of protecting your hand vs. overcards here.

Unless we have some indication villain is horrifically bad (more so than he open limps), theres just no way he's value betting the river with worse hands, so we effectively have a bluff catcher.

What bluffing hands could he have? A few mid pairs and random triple barrel (including a flop cr) air, since the only draw completed on the turn. Most people that open limp (and most people in general) aren't creative enough to turn 77 into a bluff here and air doesnt really make sense since this dry board is tough to represent much on thus discourages people from making plays on it.

I think the river is a very very easy fold unless we have some read that villain triple barrels and or is a spews badly.

The turn is a little closer, but once it completes the SD, like has been said, our equity isnt great against his range. Its close bc i can see some medium strength hands that decided to raise the flop firing the turn again rather than checking OOP, but I think even the turn may be a fold....although again it's much closer

madtom1337 said:

There simply isn't 3 streets of value in this hand on this board. If you plan to fold to a raise on the flop, you're almost turning your hand into a bluff when you have considerable showdown value. That said, this player is an unknown who limps from the CO, so that almost certainly makes this player bad. But you don't know where his big leaks are post-flop yet, so it doesn't make too much of a difference he limp-calls. If you get raised on this flop here, I think you have to fold. You have to always anticipate how you will react to a c-bet if you get raised, and if you're not happy with folding to a raise but not happy with getting raised, then it's often better to take out a street of betting and just check behind with a strongish made hand like tens here. I think this argument weighs more heavily than the line of protecting your hand vs. overcards here.

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The problem w this line for meta game purposes, is we're C-betting this dry board so frequently that checking back overpairs really hurts us, since our flop betting range is now air and sets. Observate villains can use this to shred us apart. (I will admit that villains who open limp prob are not paying enough attention for this to matter, but in general). If we were willing to completely adjust and check our air a ton with the intention of delay cbetting the turn it'd match up ok i guess, but then we run into problems when villains stab blank turns and we lose out on the pot (with the air part of our range) or when overcards come with the TT-JJ part of our range

Zybomb said:

The problem w this line for meta game purposes, is we're C-betting this dry board so frequently that checking back overpairs really hurts us, since our flop betting range is now air and sets. Observate villains can use this to shred us apart. (I will admit that villains who open limp prob are not paying enough attention for this to matter, but in general). If we were willing to completely adjust and check our air a ton with the intention of delay cbetting the turn it'd match up ok i guess, but then we run into problems when villains stab blank turns and we lose out on the pot (with the air part of our range) or when overcards come with the TT-JJ part of our range

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Well I only play 50NL so I guess what you're saying here may carry more weight at these higher stakes. I'm not saying we always check back our 99-JJ when it's an overpair to a dry board though. This guy's unknown though. To be honest I don't really mind c-bet fold. What's your line, Zybomb?

madtom1337 said:

Well I only play 50NL so I guess what you're saying here may carry more weight at these higher stakes. I'm not saying we always check back our 99-JJ when it's an overpair to a dry board though. This guy's unknown though. To be honest I don't really mind c-bet fold. What's your line, Zybomb?

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villain is an unknown, so his flop c/r range could include tons of hands we beat such as mid pairs, 9x, straight draws and random overs...we really don't know, so b/f is kind of too nitty for my tastes, (although I agree we're not really happy about being raised).... b/fing this board even against a known opponent is probably too nitty unless we had some indication that villain's c/r range was exclusively sets here on this type of a board... and without that read, then I agree if we're going to b/f the flop, then just check behind and if 6 outers get there, then they do.

My default would be to bet the flop (obviously not hoping to be raised lol) call the raise and reevaluate the turn. When the 6 drops and he continues to fire it's very close between folding and calling I think, but I think i fold since we're now behind more of his flop cr range (SD completed) and there are many times where mid pairs and 9x and random overs will just pot control check (the showdownable part) and or give up and check (the non showdownable part)... It is close though simply bc a lot of villains do not like to check the turn often (barring an obv draw completing) first to act if they have C/R'd the flop, so the 77, 9x (or pure air) part of his range could fire one more shell.

If I did call the turn though, I'd certainly fold the river barring a read that villain will triple barrel in this fashion (in which case I'd give folding the turn no consideration)... we beat no hands that he is value betting and there are no busted draws, only pure air bluffs, or creative bluffs (with SD value i.e 77), which we won't see NEARLY enough to making calling this river +EV

Meh... I don't like calling a raise here... How often do guys check-raise and then check? :\ I like checking behind on the flop. Or bet-fold. Or bet-3bet. I just hate calling a raise here.

madtom1337 said:

Meh... I don't like calling a raise here... How often do guys check-raise and then check? :\ I like checking behind on the flop. Or bet-fold. Or bet-3bet. I just hate calling a raise here.

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Not very often which is why I think we have to call the turn bet too. If we're never calling the flop ch/r we're going to be getting pushed around too often.

It's a river fold though without a read.