Originally Posted by madtom1337
Well I only play 50NL so I guess what you're saying here may carry more weight at these higher stakes. I'm not saying we always check back our 99-JJ when it's an overpair to a dry board though. This guy's unknown though. To be honest I don't really mind c-bet fold. What's your line, Zybomb?
villain is an unknown, so his flop c/r range could include tons of hands we beat such as mid pairs, 9x, straight draws and random overs...we really don't know, so b/f is kind of too nitty for my tastes, (although I agree we're not really happy about being raised).... b/fing this board even against a known opponent is probably too nitty unless we had some indication that villain's c/r range was exclusively sets here on this type of a board... and without that read, then I agree if we're going to b/f the flop, then just check behind and if 6 outers get there, then they do.
My default would be to bet the flop (obviously not hoping to be raised lol) call the raise and reevaluate the turn. When the 6 drops and he continues to fire it's very close between folding and calling I think, but I think i fold since we're now behind more of his flop cr range (SD completed) and there are many times where mid pairs and 9x and random overs will just pot control check (the showdownable part) and or give up and check (the non showdownable part)... It is close though simply bc a lot of villains do not like to check the turn often (barring an obv draw completing) first to act if they have C/R'd the flop, so the 77, 9x (or pure air) part of his range could fire one more shell.
If I did call the turn though, I'd certainly fold the river barring a read that villain will triple barrel in this fashion (in which case I'd give folding the turn no consideration)... we beat no hands that he is value betting and there are no busted draws, only pure air bluffs, or creative bluffs (with SD value i.e 77), which we won't see NEARLY enough to making calling this river +EV