$4 PL O 6-max: river pairs, check standard?

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Villain is unknown. With the rivered paired board or club, what's the proper play against a player at this limit w 100 effective bb's, bet, c/c, c/f?

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/383751
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CO: $1.72
BTN: $2.24
Hero (SB): $2.00
BB: $3.88

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Th 6h Js 9c
CO raises to $0.07, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.21) 5s 7h 8c (3 players)
Hero bets $0.19, BB calls $0.19, CO calls $0.19

Turn: ($0.78) Kc (3 players)
Hero bets $0.78, BB calls $0.78, CO folds

River: ($2.34) 8s (2 players)
Hero ???
 
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55/77/87/85 is now beating us, 64 or 6T might have called down, as might overpairs for that matter.

Probably check/call the river.
 
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also losing to 88 and odd combinations of KK (It is PLO, anything is possible) so c/c but probably c/f if he pots.
 
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Pot on river is $2.34, I only have $0.96 left and villain has me covered, so even a half psb is more than I have behind - that's the crux of my question, in order to c/c, I'll be all-in anyhow. Betting the river seems pretty insane to me, but seeing as how I'll only have to pay $0.96 for $3.30 if he does pot the river, I'm pretty sure I'm not folding - so am I inducing a bluff by checking? No point in betting cuz what worse hands are calling (imo at this limit I'm not sure this is a valid point, an overpair and bare trips might call)?

Sorry for the novice question, just trying to get clear in my head what my plan should've been when I hit the flop that hard - obv a turned or rivered flush/paired board should've been part of my plan, but I'm sad to say it wasn't (OMG I have the nuts and nut straight redraws, jam jam jam!!!).
 
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I'm a novice myself; I play like 2 tables of PLO when I don't feel like putting my NLHE part of the brain into gear, if that makes any sense. One of the biggest things I found at the 0.01/0.02 level is looking for the HE players that don't understand you have to use two of your four cards, or that AKo with two other useless cards is not a big hand preflop in PLO. There's less of that at 0.02/0.05 and not much at 0.05/0.10.

That being said, reads can be important because some players don't realize how vulnerable a flopped set or two pair or bottom end of a straight can be, or they realize it and call down rather than betting out themselves.
 
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I usually dont answer ?s in the forum like this because for the most part I dont think people really value what i have to say in the form of HA..

I do play quite a bit of plo in fact so I thought I would take a crack at this..

While u flop the goods when your betting out every street and getting flat called, your obv aware that the opponent is prob got some sort of draw or has already flopped two pair or set and is chasing the boat...

So two options are I think is once u get flat called on the flop, slow down on turn and see if he pushes at u.. If he does thats a good time to ship it all in and make him outdraw you...

Second option is to do what u did.. Bet every street.. Now you said u had .96 behind and the pot was $2.34. So if u check the river and he bets ur obv priced to call.. So in the end my suggestion would be to you in this particular situation is to fire that last bullet. Yes Iam aware we might be able to see what he has for free if u check and he checks behind.. But in staying with your aggressive pattern you may actually push him off the hand or get him to call u with a inferior str8..

Just my opinion and if it helps Iam glad.. Some may disagree and thats ok but giving my outlook of the situation..
 
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To be honest this is not a playable hand pre flop. You are completely out of position here. You have a pre flop raise from the Button. You have a straggler which is a complete no no in PLO. Your suited cards are not great and neither are your straightening cards.

What hand were you hoping to hit most after the flop with this starting hand? The flop that came was a miracle in my opinion.

Had there not been a raise pre flop I would say complete the blind and see how it goes from there. I can't see making a proper analysis on a hand that should have been folded pre flop. But since you did decide to play it you played the flop and turn correctly IMO and the board pairing on the river makes it a very hard call. Which is why this hand was folded pre flop if dealt to me in this situation.
 
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It would definitely check call this river. You really can't make a case for check raising here especially on a .01/.02 table. People could have anything here knowing how low stakes omaha hands play out but with the high straight a check call is a reasonable play here.
 
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I usually dont answer ?s in the forum like this because for the most part I dont think people really value what i have to say in the form of HA..

Second option is to do what u did.. Bet every street.. Now you said u had .96 behind and the pot was $2.34. So if u check the river and he bets ur obv priced to call.. So in the end my suggestion would be to you in this particular situation is to fire that last bullet. Yes Iam aware we might be able to see what he has for free if u check and he checks behind.. But in staying with your aggressive pattern you may actually push him off the hand or get him to call u with a inferior str8.

I'm completely new to Omaha, so anyone w experience is better than I am right now. The above option is what I was wondering about in posting here. I'm sure a bet wouldn't push him off a fh, but was thinking I may have lost value by not betting to possibly get value from worse hands. Since play is so poor at this limit, I'm not folding to a river bet, so was thinking maybe I should've bet - but the bet overreps my hand, so maybe c/c makes more sense.

To be honest this is not a playable hand pre flop. You are completely out of position here. You have a pre flop raise from the Button. You have a straggler which is a complete no no in PLO. Your suited cards are not great and neither are your straightening cards.

What hand were you hoping to hit most after the flop with this starting hand? The flop that came was a miracle in my opinion.

Agree that calling pf was a mistake in light of CO's raise - I called cuz CO was very loose and felt a 3card rundown was worth seeing the flop with, didn't consider BB when I called.

If we'd been BTN instead of SB, would you call a loose CO w this or toss it? Obv this flop was outstanding for this hand, but I can imagine other flops I'd be happy to see?
 
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If I was button and he was cutoff would I have called his raise are you asking me? If so I would have to say no. But then I am tighter then most players. With hands as close as they are in Omaha I would have to say that if someone is opening the pot with what is close to a pot sized raise I am not sure I want to be in it.
 
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