$4 NLHEFull Ring: QQ facing Turn Bet vs unknown Villain. Best Line here??

Been at the table about 4 orbits. No history with Villain, whoses ession stats were 17/4 which seemed odd fairly loose and not too aggressive? Could not get a read on opp.

Full Tilt - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (UTG+1): $1.90
MP: $2.09
MP+1: $0.19
LP: $2.02
CO: $6.99
BTN: $1.85
SB: $0.89
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.47
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Qs Qh
fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, fold, fold
Flop: ($0.27, 3 players) Jc 6s 2c

2 clubs here so I bet 2/3 pot to make anyone drawing to a Flush pay.

Hero bets $0.18, CO calls $0.18, fold
Turn: ($0.63, 2 players) 6c

Turn is not a good card, board is now paired and there is a strong flush draw. I am OOP so...

Hero checks, CO bets $0.26, Hero??

Bet the turn. He has basically no sixes in his range and he's unlikely to bluff raise (he's passive). So if he raises a turn bet you fold. The key is though that he'll very often call with worse so you bet the turn for value from his TP/smaller pp (77-TT all likely call here) hands.

I think we are good most of the time here. If CO has a set he probably would've raised the flop because there was a possible flush draw on the board. When the third club hits however, you shouldn't put your villain on a flush straight away. If I remember correctly, Harrington stated in his latest book that anyone who called your raise with ATC will have a flush draw about 5% of the time on the flop, which is not a whole really. I think it is possible that CO called your flop bet with medium pps (77-TT), or Jx. He might have put us on two high cards which whiffed the flop. So our check on the turn might lead him to think that we have nothing, so his bet on the turn might just be a feeble attempt to take the pot away on the turn.

Actually the six is a good card for us. It virtually eliminates 66 from the equation and improves us to two pairs. A bad turn card for us is obviously a Jack, a King, or an Ace.

I would probably check-call the turn and see what the river brings. To my surprise at NL10 and NL25, you can actually make a lot more from your premium pairs by betting the flop and checking the turn OOP, as quite a few aggros will try to take the pot away from you on the later two streets. Had I fired the flop and turn, I would not have made as much money. Do not forget the concept of checking to induce a bluff, as it could be profitable in certain circumstances.

Would love to hear what other veteran members of this forum think. Despite playing for almost two years, I don't think I'm in a position to make meticulous hand analyses just yet.

Bet, bet. Checking the turn is god awful.

Also your reasoning for betting the flop isn't complete. You bet for 3 reasons. Value, bluff and protection. Now tell me all the hands you would want to make a bet that accomplish one of the reasons. For example you said to make FD's pay. That's good, but it isn't even the number one reason you bet that type of flop. What's his range of hands? It isn't just FD's and 6x is it?

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Good stuff to think about. In retrospect I wish I had bet the turn but I flet like I needed to slow it down. My instinct was to raise his turn bet but that would have committed my whole stack vs an unknown. I hated to fold an overpair so I called called his turn bet. The River was a 4s. Still unsure of where I was in this hand, I checked again. Villain bet a dollar. I started re-running the whole hand in my head and I finally began to realize that the overbet on the river was probably a bluff and he was on a busted flush draw. Unfortunately I wasn't looking at the time bank and just as I tried to click call the hand auto-folded on me. He actually showed AcKs. My lack of experience meant I muffed the turn but my instinct told me how to act on the River. I still need to figure out how to proceed in a tricky hand while multi-tabling as I was distracted by the other tables flashing. Valuable teaching lesson; When in doubt bet or raise but never call.
Full Tilt - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (UTG+1): $1.90
MP: $2.09
MP+1: $0.19
LP: $2.02
CO: $6.99
BTN: $1.85
SB: $0.89
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.47
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Qs Qh
fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, fold, fold
Flop: ($0.27, 3 players) Jc 6s 2c
Hero bets $0.18, CO calls $0.18, fold
Turn: ($0.63, 2 players) 6c
Hero checks, CO bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26
River: ($1.15, 2 players) 4s
Hero checks, CO bets $1.00, fold
CO shows Kd Ac (One Pair, Sixes)
CO wins $1.08

Get something to auto request time.

It's soooooo much easier to bet-fold than to check-soul read.

WVHillbilly said:

Get something to auto request time.

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Is there a blanket/generic program that works for all sites? Tableninja only works for PS and FT.

EDIT: Oh ya. +1 to bet fold turn.

Nothing that works for all sites but you should be able to find at least one program for pretty much any site.