$4 NLHE Full Ring: wa/wb or wa/sb???

$4 NL HE Full Ring: wa/wb or wa/sb???

2 hands with very wet boards. Are these worth a c-bet?
Ive been reading some of that wa/wb and sa/wb and now im kind of confused. In one hand i c-bet and the other I check it.


Hand 1

CO is in his first orbit.
BTN stats are 82/24/2 over only 45 hands. Loved to slow play big hands.


full tilt poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 663286
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MP1: $1.94
MP2: $2.20
CO: $2.27
BTN: $4.44
SB: $2.23
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.01
Hero (UTG+1): $3.22

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with 9 :club: 9 :heart:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, CO calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.27) 8 :heart: 2 :heart: J :club: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20


Hand 2

UTG is 43/9/1 over only 47 hands.

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UTG+2: $2.56
MP1: $2.93
MP2: $1.57
CO: $2.07
BTN: $2.05
SB: $2.02
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.11
Hero (UTG+1): $2.34

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with Q :spade: Q :club:
UTG raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.26, 7 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.55) T :heart: K :diamond: 2 :heart: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.55) 6 :heart: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.55) A :diamond: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks


I had a bet of .32 ready to fire on the turn but couldnt pull the trigger. On the river I figure I cant beat many hands.

Hand #1 looks good. Its a "speculative call flop" and we can barrel a lot of turn cards as well (A, K, Q, maybe T & 7, hearts, and Jacks for value).

I like the $0.32 bet on the turn in hand #2 as well.

i bet the flop in hand 2.

I would bet flop on hand 2. To knock out any AQ AJ A10 hands and to pay for flush draws. Hand one is marginal. Betting or checking is fine. Hand 2 is against 2 opponents on a fairly wet board so I might just cc but betting is always then cc. I need even need cf hand two.

Bet hand 2 on the turn for sure and I think hand one is fine

ha, the title was supposed to read,"wa/wb or sa/wb". oh well.

c9, you sayin we can barrel any A,K,Q cause those are supposed to be in our PFRing range and that the T,7, any heart and a J are good scare cards to barrel with?

Hand 2 is more wa/wb because you only have one opponent, and because you have position, which is why I'd be fine with the flop check and turn bet after he checks as well.

Hand 1 you're out of position with 2 callers, not the same. Betting the flop is better in Hand 1 than in Hand 2.

If you read the required reading thread, you'll notice this article:

http://www.cardplayer.com/cardplaye...21-22/articles/17937-firing-the-second-barrel

And J8X two tone is exactly the flop they pick to fire two barrels on. I could explain it, but Ed Miller does a better job.

The difference in this hand and that one, is that we have some equity on the cards that hit their speculative flop calling range. So while a 7 may help our opponent, it also gives us a draw so our bluff has to succeed less often to be profitable. Thus I think we could probably barrel any turn profitably on this board.

ya, thats a good article. thanks.

So I wanted to come to this thread and tell you to get a full stack (because your title says $4NL).....but then I realized you have a full stack and are only playing 2NL. I was very depressed. I have made it my goal lately to remind everyone to play full stacked. Its kind of like how its C9's job to critique everyone that plays anything besides NL HE or Omaha.

it needs to be said so good on you.

its full stack or GTFO. i always use auto top off.

i always wonder why there is no 2nl option. am i missing something here. i just figured cause this site is based in the uk??? am i wrong??? wtf???