$4 NLHE Full Ring: Running into trips on the flop

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 20/14/6.33

Should note that villain's stats are over about 400 hands, with Foldv3bet 50% over 20 hands.

Bit of a crying call situation, but mostly looking for help on the flop - am I wrong to bet here? Should I be sizing differently?

No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.04
Merge Network
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($4.17)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($2.61)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 ($2.56)
MP - MP ($3.96)
MP2 - MP2 ($6.90)
CO - Hero ($4.48)
BTN - BTN ($3.49)
SB - SB ($4.62)
BB - BB ($4.08)

Preflop: ($0.06, 9 players) Hero is CO with Kc Kd
2 folds, MP raises to $0.12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.36, 3 folds, MP calls $0.24

Flop: 4h Qc Qd ($0.78, 3 players - UTG+1: $2.61, MP: $3.60, Hero: $4.12)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50

Turn: Jh ($1.78, 3 players - UTG+1: $2.61, MP: $3.10, Hero: $3.62)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.00, MP raises to $2.00, Hero calls $1.00

River: 9c ($5.78, 3 players - UTG+1: $2.61, MP: $1.10, Hero: $1.62)
MP bets $1.10 (all-in), Hero calls $1.10

Total Pot: $7.98
MP shows Kh Qh (Kh Qh)
Hero shows Kc Kd (Kc Kd)

MP wins $7.59

Shove the turn. NH.

c9h13no3 said:

Shove the turn. NH.

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I agree, you are basically pot committed anyways after the turn, you might as well shove them all in and put a little pressure on the other hand. if he had a more marginal hand you might've been able to push him off and win the pot. you arent gonna push him off trip kings though, just unlucky that you hit the flop so nicely and were always behind

Is there no way we're getting away from this hand?

I considered shoving, but is betting the extra $1 really putting any pressure at all? Is he ever playing like he did with worse than trips there? With the check-raise? I thought it was POSSIBLE he had the jack, but it seems an odd place to bet out when I'm representing a broadway hand at the least if not high pocket pairs. Maybe we can't get away, but unless we think it's a bluff (I didn't) I'm having trouble believing we can't fold the turn.

Thoughts?

Edit: Upon second look, it's just a terrible spot - the SPR makes things tricky and I guess the odds of him bluffing vs. my pot odds are too good to pass up.

Check the turn. Allow your opponent to bet worse. What second best hands are you expecting to call?

John A said:

Check the turn. Allow your opponent to bet worse. What second best hands are you expecting to call?

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We have position... Why would I let my opponent see a free card? And this is $4 NL - there is MUCH worse that would continue here. Jx especially. You'd be surprised.

He doesn't seem to be to overly loose looking at his stats. When he check/calls on the flop is a little weird. I would expect a raise or fold from a decent player, calls in that situation are either total fishy or slow play (still kinda fishy, although over 400 hands he may be paying attention and playing you). If he didn't have a Q (or pocket A's) what do you think the chances of him calling are?

PotluckXXI said:

He doesn't seem to be to overly loose looking at his stats. When he check/calls on the flop is a little weird. I would expect a raise or fold from a decent player, calls in that situation are either total fishy or slow play (still kinda fishy, although over 400 hands he may be paying attention and playing you). If he didn't have a Q (or pocket A's) what do you think the chances of him calling are?

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I don't think check-calling the flop is weird at all... It would make a lot of sense to try and float that flop, seeing as he doesn't expect me to wake up with a Q a lot of the time.

And his fold v 3-bet % is very low (compared to others at the micros who tend to have 85% minimum), so idk why you think his range only has pockets aces or a queen in it? I'm not saying he doesn't have those sometimes, but all the time? Most of the time? I'm not sure. I could be wrong, but I could see him continuing with pocket 10s and maybe even 9s or 8s. I still say there's a fair amount of AJ, KJ and JT in his range when he check-raises the turn. Plus I have to call $1 into a $4.78 pot. *shrug*

Scourge..I agree that villains continuing range is more then aa or qx. However when he raises the turn? Yikes. Possible to get away then. What besides qx or bluff raises in that spot? Even if you include aj or kj, not sure about the call considering you commit to rivercall.

That said I don't hate the call because like you mentioned, its 4 nl...never folding kk on 4nl will always be +ev in the long run (besides maybe on dry axx board)