$4 NLHE Full Ring: River middle set IP - Call or re-raise?

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$4 NL HE Full Ring: River middle set IP - Call or re-raise?

No stats on villain. The flush on board is really the only thing that makes me wonder here. Was his check intended to induce a bet from me?

How much on a river re-raise if that's what we decide to do here?

Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: $0.93 (46.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.14 (107 bb)
BTN: $0.31 (15.5 bb)
SB: $2.27 (113.5 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
MP1: $3.73 (186.5 bb)
MP2: $5.59 (279.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 8
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8
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2 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04, MP3 calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24) Q
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3
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4
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(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.08, MP3 folds

Turn: ($0.40) 7
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.40) 8
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero ?

Board:
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On the flop, I don't like the 1/3 pot cbet into 3 players.

When you plan on making a bet, always ask yourself if your bet will make a better hand than yours fold or if it will make a worse hand call. With 3 opponents, the Q probably hit one of your opponents so its unlikely your bet will take it down.

On the river I like to make a nice pot sized raise. I think we get value from a queen or if your lucky enough, a lower set :)

Some may say a river shove is good but Im not sure about that. Maybe someone can chime in on a river shove on this hand.
 
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With 3 opponents, the Q probably hit one of your opponents

Then they are :stupid: for not betting top pair w/ 3 others in the pot. I was last to act in the hand & it was checked to me, why not bet when they show that much weakness?
 
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Then they are :stupid: for not betting top pair w/ 3 others in the pot. I was last to act in the hand & it was checked to me, why not bet when they show that much weakness?

These games are loose/passive. They love to call so a good plan is to wait for a strong hand and then bet your hand for value. Middle pair against 3 players usually isn't a spot to bet for value. I understand they all showed weakness on the flop and checked to the raiser but that is how they play. I think checking to the turn and trying to hit another 8 is the best play on this flop.
 
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Make a real c-bet or check it back. The flop is very wet and you are asking to be called with such a small bet on the flop.

I call the river and expect to be good a big chunk of the time since it played so passively to that point but I do not raise as I won't be called by by anything we beat with so many draws making it on the turn.
 
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I would call in this position.. let him bet and bet and bet and rerais the river to give him the right odds to call
 
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Check behind on the flop.

Check the turn

Call the river.

The situation is terrible for you on the flop.

Your bet is way way too small, and I think this is because you kind of realise the situation you are in.

5 people show weakness... do you bet? NO.. so you put in a tiny raise because you can't bring yourself to bet 3/4 pot with 5 people in the hand.

The problem is, you look at 88 and think you are betting for value.

But with so many people in the hand, someone has to have caught something on it.

And even if they havent, your hand is very vaunarable to overcards.

Say someone has T9s.. they wont fold to a flop bet, they are drawing and they wont fold if they hit a pair.

So your SD equity on the hand is very low at this point. So rather than bet to charge draws, check and give up on the hand.

But if the turn is also checked to you then you have SD equity.

This is just a really bad hand to c-bet with because you are basicaly in a SA/WB situation. You have reverse implied odds.

HU you have more SD value, although I would still not c-bet it.

As played, when the 8 shows up on the river, you cant fold. But there is little point in reraisine either, so just call.
 
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