$4 NLHE Full Ring: QQ that is reraised: How would you handle this flop play?

Just a few hands in at this micro-stakes table. Other players unknown. Was my bet size all wrong? Should the reraise from the button set off warning bells? Especially because I'm out of position. How should I analyze and determine my next move? Obvious fold?

I bet pot-sized to push off a straight draw. At these stakes is that not the way to play? At any stakes?

Absolute/Ultimatebet Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Absolute/Ultimatebet Cer Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($2)
SB ($2.35)
BB ($2.54)
UTG ($2.40)
UTG+1 ($1.10)
Hero (MP1) ($1.74)
MP2 ($0.53)
MP3 ($3.10)
CO ($2.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 3 folds, Button calls $0.08, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.27, Button raises to $0.63, 1 fold, Hero ???

He can do this with with sets, but also 66, 88-JJ, plus AA and KK (although those might have 3-bet pre, you can't discount them completely though), and any pair + straight draws. So I think when you consider all of that it'd be profitable to 3-bet shove the flop.

I would say you have to bet. You could call his reraise and chk trn to see what he does. Looks like he might have a set. Your out of pos and in a real bad spot..

1. reload to 100 BBs
2. Raise to 12 cents pre.

As played I think folding here is bad vs. an unknown, sure you will get pwn3d plenty but we're not really deep enough to fold overpairs here.

baudib1 said:

1. reload to 100 BBs
2. Raise to 12 cents pre.

As played I think folding here is bad vs. an unknown, sure you will get pwn3d plenty but we're not really deep enough to fold overpairs here.

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Reload because in cash games I should always keep my stack at 100 BB?
Why .12? If it's because it should be 3x bb, then that's what I did. (Edit: Actually, I raised 4xBB) I was playing .01-.02 (CC converter doesn't have a limit for that micro so I picked the smallest stakes available--sorry I forgot to note that).

Even though I think they are unlikely, I included a few combos of KK+ here. Assuming he never folds (if so, lol) I think we're close to a coinflip depending on how many semibluffs he has or how spazzy he gets with overpairs so we should shove as we'll be getting almost 3-1 on our money.

Board: 7h 4c 5s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.049% 48.23% 01.82% 226338 8520.00 { AdAh, AdAs, AhAs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-44, A7s-A6s, 86s+, 74s+, 63s+, 54s }
Hand 1: 49.951% 48.14% 01.82% 225882 8520.00 { QQ }

I think .08 pre was fine. If you raise .12 you still get the same results i believe. The A10 plus will all call you and the 33 55 66 77 88 in pos to mine set all call you..

Well I think the same hands would call $0.12, so that's a lot of value you can collect pre-flop, which means you can bet the flop more, and the turn more... So the value you can collect from your bets grows exponentially in a way.

ALL IN CLUBS said:

I think .08 pre was fine. If you raise .12 you still get the same results i believe. The A10 plus will all call you and the 33 55 66 77 88 in pos to mine set all call you..

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ALL IN CLUBS said:

I would say you have to bet. You could call his reraise and chk trn to see what he does. Looks like he might have a set. Your out of pos and in a real bad spot..

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I have to disagree. This is a fold. Villain could have so many hands that beat you. I would also say your flop bet was a little large. Into a .27 pot you only need to bet .18 to make it unprofitable to draw against you.

Of the likely hands to flat from the button you are behind AA KK 77 55 44 76s 64s (2.85% of possible hands) and ahead of JJ TT 99 88 75 66 & 33 (2.7% of possible hands) which looks close and there is dead money in the pot but 88 66 & 33 can improve to a set or straight giving 88 6 outs 66 2 outs and 33 6 outs. If you are up against a made set or straight you are drawing very thin as well if you are against AA KK. Since villain re-raised he either has a made but vulnerable hand so the most likely scenario would be AA KK 66 or a set.

This is a bad flop for you and you are out of position. I would probably risk my stack here with AA or KK but not QQ it is strong starting hand but is very vulnerable and wins plenty of small pots but loses big ones. When you are facing alot of aggression with QQ agaisnt a non maniac or total idiot you really need a set to proceed.

fx20736 said:

I have to disagree. This is a fold. Villain could have so many hands that beat you. I would also say your flop bet was a little large. Into a .27 pot you only need to bet .18 to make it unprofitable to draw against you.

Of the likely hands to flat from the button you are behind AA KK 77 55 44 76s 64s (2.85% of possible hands) and ahead of JJ TT 99 88 75 66 & 33 (2.7% of possible hands) which looks close and there is dead money in the pot but 88 66 & 33 can improve to a set or straight giving 88 6 outs 66 2 outs and 33 6 outs. If you are up against a made set or straight you are drawing very thin as well if you are against AA KK. Since villain re-raised he either has a made but vulnerable hand so the most likely scenario would be AA KK 66 or a set.

This is a bad flop for you and you are out of position. I would probably risk my stack here with AA or KK but not QQ it is strong starting hand but is very vulnerable and wins plenty of small pots but loses big ones. When you are facing alot of aggression with QQ agaisnt a non maniac or total idiot you really need a set to proceed.

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baudib1 said:

Even though I think they are unlikely, I included a few combos of KK+ here. Assuming he never folds (if so, lol) I think we're close to a coinflip depending on how many semibluffs he has or how spazzy he gets with overpairs so we should shove as we'll be getting almost 3-1 on our money.

Board: 7h 4c 5s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.049% 48.23% 01.82% 226338 8520.00 { AdAh, AdAs, AhAs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-44, A7s-A6s, 86s+, 74s+, 63s+, 54s }
Hand 1: 49.951% 48.14% 01.82% 225882 8520.00 { QQ }

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Pokerstove says it's a pretty clear shove...

cjatud2012 said:

Pokerstove says it's a pretty clear shove...

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Did you consider stack sizes?

Also did you factor the percentage chance villain folds to a shove? Assuming JJ TT 99 66 A7 A6 75 74 fold here did you figure that into the EV?

Just asking because I am trying to learn here.

I assumed villain never folds here because the odds he's getting are way too good.S ince we're 1:1 against his range and our shove is getting good odds even if he never folds, your shove is for value. I really don't see another play, I think folding here is pretty bad.