$4 NLHE Full Ring: pocket QQ,KK do you ever fold at these stakes?

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Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 104.75 BB
SB: 148.75 BB (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 22)
BB: 53 BB (VPIP: 14.60, PFR: 8.41, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 227)
UTG: 50 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG+1: 72 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 206 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
MP+2: 85.25 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.93, 3Bet Preflop: 2.36, Hands: 343)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, MP raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 39 BB, Hero raises to 104.75 BB and is all-in, MP calls 65.75 BB

Flop: (212 BB, 2 players) Q A 8

Turn: (212 BB, 2 players) 4

River: (212 BB, 2 players) K

Hero shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 19%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
MP shows A A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 81%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
MP wins 200.25 BB

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88.5 BB (VPIP: 13.53, PFR: 3.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 133)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 52)
BB: 56.25 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 36)
UTG: 243.75 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 16.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 88)
Hero (UTG+1): 105.5 BB
MP: 55.5 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
MP+1: 94.25 BB (VPIP: 32.89, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
MP+2: 81.5 BB (VPIP: 24.30, PFR: 7.01, 3Bet Preflop: 1.22, Hands: 217)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.72, PFR: 9.49, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 322)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP+1 raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 14.25 BB, MP+1 raises to 94.25 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 80 BB

Flop: (191 BB, 2 players) K T 7

Turn: (191 BB, 2 players) A

River: (191 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 90%, Turn 2%)
MP+1 shows A A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 10%, Turn 98%)
MP+1 wins 180.5 BB

This happened almost back to back :mad: ! After I lost I had to step away and vent because i was about to go on tilt. Any ways do you ever fold here?
 
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Not a chance, too many noobs stack off ezpz. Sick set over sets though
 
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Sure, I've folded QQ in the micros plenty of times. But these scenarios aren't close, and you should rarely be folding QQ preflop. You need reads & data to make folding QQ pre the right play.
 
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There was an old word of poker wisdom that the 3rd raise was always AA. lol. That's pretty quaint notion these days but maybe we can just notch it up a level and say that the 4th raise is always AA or KK. In the first hand you can't beat either, in the second Aces are 6 times more likely than Kings. As played I think you can find a fold in both cases but I wouldn't blame you for calling with the Kings. I'm just surprised that there would actually be so many raise opportunities. In both cases the 3rd raise should have been a shove. It's extremely unlikely that anyone will ever fold after 3 betting.
 
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