$4 NLHE Full Ring: Please tell me how YOU would play this hand.

$4 NL HE Full Ring: Please tell me how YOU would play this hand.

Would like to know how YOU would play this hand. Will only show one street at a time and am hoping this will help myself (and possibly others) with bet sizing and aggression. A simple fold or call will do but if you respond with bet or raise please say how much and why. Will give some insight (what little I had) to the players as the hand progresses. This was the 9th hand of this session and this was the first one that I played. Thanks ahead of time for your input

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 854928
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $2.84
SB: $1.62
Hero (BB): $1.97
UTG: $1.70
UTG+1: $2.08
MP: $1.97
CO: $1.83
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A :club: Q :heart:
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero?

Folds. Next hand.

3 bet to .40

bgomez89 said:

3 bet to .40

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Me too.

Fold or call depending on how tight villain is OTB. Only 3-bet if villain opens wide and calls a lot of 3-bets but still iffy.

LuckyChippy said:

Fold or call depending on how tight villain is OTB. Only 3-bet if villain opens wide and calls a lot of 3-bets but still iffy.

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It's his 9th hand at the table there is no way to know what villain does OTB with 2 limpers in front.

If we call we'll be playing a big reverse implied odds hand OOP readless. Seriously I fold this unless I know something about the BTNs range.

Phew, WVH made me feel less of a nit here.

Not to derail but what if it was AK? Can we safely 3 bet it then?

brank said:

Phew, WVH made me feel less of a nit here.

Not to derail but what if it was AK? Can we safely 3 bet it then?

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I'm far from a nit but I HATE playing OOP. With AK I'm 3betting and I'm comfortable getting it in.

Against a range of 99+/AQ+ (I think that's a fair range to assign to an unknown isoing 2 limpers) we have about 36.5% equity with AQ.

Against the same range with AK we have 50%.

This is what I knew about villain. In the 8 hands before he had played 3 hands (raising every one and having the others fold) and only one went to showdown. Here's the hand before. Would it make a difference in any of your opinions so far after watching this hand? PS villain is SB.

full tilt poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 855219
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $2.26
BB: $1.64
Hero (UTG): $1.97
UTG+1: $1.70
MP1: $2.16
MP2: $1.97
CO: $0.56
BTN: $1.83
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with 5 ♥ K ♦
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks
Flop: ($0.08) 3 ♠ A ♦ 3 ♣ (4 players)
SB bets $0.06, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.06, CO calls $0.06
Turn: ($0.26) 5 ♣ (3 players)
SB bets $0.15, MP1 folds, CO calls $0.15
River: ($0.56) 4 ♠ (2 players)
SB bets $0.33, CO calls $0.33 all in
Final Pot: $1.22
SB shows 3 ♥ 2 ♦ (a straight, Five high)
CO mucks T ♣ A ♥
SB wins $1.14
(Rake: $0.08)

Why would him limping in the SB (not raising) and flopping trips change anything? Show me a hand were he isoed a limper and showed down 32 and we can talk.

I hope this isn’t just another reason why AQ loses ppl money.

i can see WVs option to fold, AQ just gets ppl into trouble.

Even if u hit the ace, ive seen it dominated too many times, especially with a raiser like that. id rather be the raiser in that situation.

with the limited amount of hands u dont know what the players tendencies are.
maybe we should watch the table for a few mins before starting? Hmmm lolol

u cant really figure out what that bet means, is it strong? -are they rocks?- then u know exactly what that is. is this person playing around to steal the bbs or doing some of those full tilt academy challenges ? lolol I cant tell.

i dont like the .40 reraise because ur playing here with only $2. u get nearly a $1 pot going preflop they could push all in regardless on the flop and wouldn’t care about odds or anything but that pot.

And im not a big fan of shoving aq all in preflop over .10 especially with weak players that can be found a .01/.02 nl holdem. No no id fold it and wait for something more solid. If u don’t hit 2 pair better on the flop its gonna be hard to play.

But overall id agree with WV, id prefer a fold preflop, its only the bb, .02 lol and aq can be difficult to play even if u hit the flop.

I wont even look at it in early position.

lol nits ITT. Villain could be raising with a much wider range than that WV i mean it's 2nl. You could probably add in KJo+/KJs+/maybe QJs and then we have 46% in equity.

Won't even look at it in early position mr whatever? Wow i'm glad i play 6max but maybe that's the reason why it's hard for me to fold this here

bgomez89 said:

lol nits ITT. Villain could be raising with a much wider range than that WV i mean it's 2nl. You could probably add in KJo+/KJs+/maybe QJs and then we have 46% in equity.

Won't even look at it in early position mr whatever? Wow i'm glad i play 6max but maybe that's the reason why it's hard for me to fold this here

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Certainly could be but OOP I'll give him the benefit of the doubt (it is a FR table) until he shows otherwise. Even if he's raising ATC it's going to be hard to win anything postflop but pretty easy to lose a lot.

So let's continue. Please do not hold back any criticism. It's hands/advice like this that are going to help me improve. I will hold any thoughts I had about the hand during and after it was played so as not to skew anyone's advice/comments. Btw had to type in Hero (after flop) cause it would not transfer it. I will also wait till the end before commenting on the comments so don't think I'm ignoring you or anything

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 858775
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $2.84
SB: $1.62
Hero (BB): $1.97
UTG: $1.70
UTG+1: $2.08
MP: $1.97
CO: $1.83
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A ♣ Q ♥
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.08, 1 fold, CO calls $0.08
Flop: ($0.33) K ♣ A ♦ 6 ♣ (3 players)
Hero?

So we have TP2K OOP with an SPR of ~5. Looks like a pretty shitty spot to me. You basically can't fold and you're rarely going to be good when you ch/call flop and turn. I check and hope they check behind. If we know anything about them (which we don't) we could lead and get it in / fold comfortably depending on what we know.

agree with wv =caution advised. str8 and flush draws, and u might be dominated with ak. a set of 6s- probably not, but maybe.

or aa lololololol ? i like villians hole cards to be aa there now that i think about it in that situation, it would be just another classical reason of not playing aq and would explain the reraise.

uv only invested .10 and u didnt hit ur 2 pair.

I can see bgomez89 putting them on kq, qj or jten suited so ur still in trouble with that flop.

Uv only invested .10 in that pot. That can be gotten back easily.

No no no no even if u win this hand its probably not the best situation to be in with such an inexperienced group that at the level ur talking about.

U just gave an example of this persons loose play. so ur gonna have shots at them, id avoid this situation and look for something more solid than a pair.

aq is just an example of an hand u can win lil and lose big with, ditch it, ditch it, pulll up, pull up, while u still can lolololololololololololo

WVHillbilly said:

So we have TP2K OOP with an SPR of ~5. Looks like a pretty shitty spot to me. You basically can't fold and you're rarely going to be good when you ch/call flop and turn. I check and hope they check behind. If we know anything about them (which we don't) we could lead and get it in / fold comfortably depending on what we know.

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So SPR = stack to pot ratio correct? And to figure this # you take the $1.97(starting stack) and subtract the amount VPIP (which is .10c) and then divide the remaining stack into the amount VPIP? So it looks like this

1.97 - .10 = 1.87 Then take the .10/1.87 = .53476. Correct?

Questions: Is it true that a small number is good for TPTK and you want a larger number for flush and OESDs? And how does TP2K fit?

It is Stack to Pot but it's the ratio of the remaining stack size / the pot size.

So here versus CO it's $1.73 (his reamining stack) divided by .33 (size of pot at the flop or 5.2

versus BTN it's $1.87 (our reamining stack) divided by .33 or 5.66

TP hands generally like smaller SPRs, 4 or less against most villains. An SPR of 4 is 2 pot-sized bets. Here we're just over than but it's so close that we'll usually have to call if our opponent wants to put in more than we want and being against 2 opponents really complicates it even more.

BTW I still like folding preflop but if you don't fold I think 3betting is better than flatting.

Here is a link to more on SPR if you're interested: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/cotw-using-spr-unl-849671/

Thanks for the link. After reviewing and listening to the replies so far I agree with you but since I didn't fold, I wanted to finish posting this hand as a sort of penance for playing it so bad Maybe someone else can learn from it. To continue.


Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 860129
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $2.84
SB: $1.62
Hero (BB): $1.97
UTG: $1.70
UTG+1: $2.08
MP: $1.97
CO: $1.83
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A ♣ Q ♥
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.08, 1 fold, CO calls $0.08
Flop: ($0.33) K ♣ A ♦ 6 ♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, CO calls $0.17
Turn: ($0.84) 7 ♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks
River: ($0.84) 4 ♦ (3 players)
Zero?

After the turn gets checked through I think you can bet for value. The only flushes that should be in their potential ranges are Kxdd and those would likely bet the turn. The real question is to bet/call or bet/fold and I lean more toward bet/calling just because there isn't a lot in their range after the turn that makes sense that beats us other than A4/44. Although if CO raises I can see a decent argument for folding. I'm probably calling if BTN raises and I think I should fold if CO raises (although I'm a station and I probably call a CO raise and lose!).

i agree with WV. You're probably good on the river

WVHillbilly said:

After the turn gets checked through I think you can bet for value. The only flushes that should be in their potential ranges are Kxdd and those would likely bet the turn. The real question is to bet/call or bet/fold and I lean more toward bet/calling just because there isn't a lot in their range after the turn that makes sense that beats us other than A4/44. Although if CO raises I can see a decent argument for folding. I'm probably calling if BTN raises and I think I should fold if CO raises (although I'm a station and I probably call a CO raise and lose!).

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So what would you bet?

bgomez89 said:

i agree with WV. You're probably good on the river

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And I ask the same of you sir.

Something like .60 cents.

.50-.60

Immediately after playing this hand and knowing I had played it poorly (i.e. oop, turning into a calling station) pretty much from start to finish figured this would be the best place to get some good advice and was not disappointed. Thanks guys for the help, especially you WV. Here's something of an "ahhhh now I get it" learned from this hand. Have read countless times that being tight is very important in micros but I thought that just meant having a good starting hand. This made me realize how important position is. Knew it mattered but this example really put it in another perspective as to how important. Btw if the CO or BTN had raised on the turn I would have folded. No seriously

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 864538
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $2.84
SB: $1.62
Hero (BB): $1.97
UTG: $1.70
UTG+1: $2.08
MP: $1.97
CO: $1.83
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A ♣ Q ♥
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.08, 1 fold, CO calls $0.08
Flop: ($0.33) K ♣ A ♦ 6 ♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, CO calls $0.17
Turn: ($0.84) 7 ♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks
River: ($0.84) 4 ♦ (3 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO folds, BTN calls $0.26
Final Pot: $1.36
BTN shows A ♥ Q ♠ (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows A ♣ Q ♥ (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $0.64
BTN wins $0.63
(Rake: $0.09)