Originally Posted by feydreva
@undone : I am tlaking about preflop decision
@slycbnew : Shortstacked : 50 BB
Basicaly, do i shove my 1$ when the blind are 0.02
Thing is if there is 3 raise or 4 raise preflop, i am basically all-in at this point
Pokemaster is correct, this isn't considered a short stack. If you were playing truly shortstacked (20BB), shoving AK is your optimal strategy - but you're not, you're playing 50BB.
So, let's look at your examples:
1. Opener opens for 4xBB (to keep the math simple, I'll just take the 4x).
2. You 3bet to 12BB (correct move, incidentally).
3. He 4bets to (say) 30BB (the range will vary a bit - maybe 30x, maybe 36, maybe more).
General rule of thumb - once you've put 1/3 of your stack in the pot, you ought to be committed to getting the rest of your stack in.
Calling opener's 4bet is silly (almost always, whether you're playing 50BB or 100BB), since you'll have almost 2/3 of your stack in the pot (and for strategic reasons as well) - if you're continuing, you absolutely ought to shove instead of call, your only other option should be to fold. A fold would be based on your read of what Villain's 4bet means - i.e., if it's always AA or KK, you ought to fold, if it's a lot broader than that (includes K9 for example - incidentally, you've GOT to be kidding ), you ought to shove.
I've never played this level, but I think the range is very heavily weighted to KK+ and folding to a 4bet holding AK is probably the correct default move without a read that Villain 4bets light (others can answer this better than me).
1. You open to 4xBB.
2. Someone behind you 3bets to (say) 12xBB.
You have more of an option here. You can call if you wish and decide what to do after seeing the flop. There are pluses and minuses here ("are you out of position" is a big possible minus), but calling 12BB doesn't quite commit you (25% of your stack - note, though, that it's darn close). Again, getting a feel for what a 3bet at this level means will help you make a better decision.
You need to be prepared, though, if an A or K flops, to bet aggressively and get all in as quickly as possible, or to snap fold to any bet if there's no A or K - you absolutely CANNOT call a bet on the flop to see the turn, because you will be committed to stacking off whether or not there's an A or K on the turn (you're back to having over 1/3 of your stack in the pot).