$4 NLHE Full Ring: Line check please

Merge $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1853272
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Hero (UTG+2): $4.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 4.2, Hands: 274
MP1: $8.14 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, hands: 18
MP2: $2.75 - VPIP: 75, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 12
CO: $1.48 - VPIP: 74, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 31
BTN: $5.08 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 32
SB: $2.47 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 22
BB: $3.67 - VPIP: 5, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 22
UTG: $4.10 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 25, 3B: 27, AF: 3.5, Hands: 32
UTG+1: $3.86 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 17

Hero posts a big blind ($0.04)

Pre Flop: ($0.10) Hero is UTG+2 with 8 :diamond: Q :diamond:
2 folds, Hero checks, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.18) 9 :diamond: 3 :diamond: Q :club: (4 players)
BB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16, MP2 folds, CO folds

Turn: ($0.50) 8 :heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

River: ($1.00) 3 :spade: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48

So my week off lasted less than one day, buy instead of grinding tables on pokerstars I'm playing one table on BCP and reading strategy.......

Don't post blinds. Always wait for bb.

Raise flop imo. What's up with the small bets?

Defo value betting bigger on turn and river. Lots of top pair hands will call both streets for 2/3 to pot size.

bgomez89 said:

Don't post blinds. Always wait for bb.

Raise flop imo. What's up with the small bets?

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Why would you raise the flop?

OP: Bet slightly bigger on the turn and bet bigger on the river. Like 60-70% on each street.

bgomez89 said:

Don't post blinds. Always wait for bb.

Raise flop imo. What's up with the small bets?

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Why not post blinds from the button? I'm not posting blinds in OPs spot but posting from button doesn't seem bad.

As has already been said, bet much bigger on turn and river.

BlueNowhere said:

Why not post blinds from the button? I'm not posting blinds in OPs spot but posting from button doesn't seem bad.

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You can't post on the button, at least not in any game I've seen.

baudib1 said:

You can't post on the button, at least not in any game I've seen.

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I never post so I'm not sure where you can post from. Surely posting from CO is going to be better than waiting for blinds though?

lol Blue, why?

postings bad in any spot, you're forced to put money in with 100% of your range.. that can't ever be good.

raise flop coz its 4nl and people will call raises with worse draws etc and we have equity vs everything so we're comfortable stacking off.

and yeah you can't post from the button, you never noticed when you switch tables in MTTs and you're on the BTN next hand you don't get dealt in?

haven't got much else to input that hasn't been said already, bomb flop, turn and river imo.

If you post BB then you pay 6 units per orbit, which is 0.67 units/hand. If you post BB in CO you pay 4 units for the rest of the orbit which is 0.67 units per hand. So you pay the exact same before you are in the BB again except you don't have to sit in the two worst positions on the table, seems better than just posting normal blinds, no?

I could be missing something obvious since I rarely play cash but seems better to me.

I think posting from CO is fine. Sklansky advocates posting in live games, but I think that's mostly for meta purposes.

Posting loses you money in the long run just like how you lose money from the sb/bb.

Raise flop because of the reasons Campbell gave

bgomez89 said:

Posting loses you money in the long run just like how you lose money from the sb/bb.

Raise flop because of the reasons Campbell gave

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But it doesn't lose you more money relative to posting bb/sb, in fact for reason stated (not playing two worst positions) I think it makes money relative to posting blinds normally.

I think Blue is absolutely correct.

I've tried to do some more digging and some say posting from the CO is pretty much a wash. Idk do what you want though, it makes more sense to me not to post but maybe you could explain it to me like I'm 5 so I can understand better

Well presumnig a full FR table you pay the exact same money per hand if you post from the CO as from the BB in one orbit (6 hands and 9 hands respectively). But posting from the CO you don't have to play the sb or bb so you don't have to play either of the two worst positions yet you pay the same/hand as you would if you did play them.

Live I definitely do as you can't multi-table so you probs miss 20 mins of action not posting from CO (presuming something like 20 hands/hr) so you lose by not playing.

What are these units you're Talking about, how did you calculate this, can you use actual cents

Unreal, at first I couldnt understand what you are talking about posting blinds. I never do this. I was busy reading CC on one screen and playing one table without sound on another.

I actually thought I was the big blind, one of the reasons for posting. Q8 not really a calling hand for me anyway. Interesting about the size of the bets being small. Half pot bets are small?

One of the reasons was because I had a flush draw. Even if my Q isnt good enough I can keep him in to get a flush. When I get 2 pair Im thinking ok this is good a bit more value please, but then the 3 comes, and after I bet 48c I was a bit worried he'd push leaving me with a tough decision?maybe you dont think it would be tough?

bgomez89 said:

What are these units you're Talking about, how did you calculate this, can you use actual cents

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I was just showing a universal number where sb = 1/2bb. In this instance 1 unit = 1 cent.
So here 1 orbit (from CO to BB) where you post from CO cost $0.00667/hand and if you wait till the bb it also cost $0.00667/hand.

Campbell92 said:

lol Blue, why?

postings bad in any spot, you're forced to put money in with 100% of your range.. that can't ever be good.

raise flop coz its 4nl and people will call raises with worse draws etc and we have equity vs everything so we're comfortable stacking off.

and yeah you can't post from the button, you never noticed when you switch tables in MTTs and you're on the BTN next hand you don't get dealt in?

haven't got much else to input that hasn't been said already, bomb flop, turn and river imo.

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+ juan

Agree 100% with the above advice.

And TTT - I also noticed you're running 20/14. Much higher than I personally like but I do think if you're going to be playing so many pots, you do wish the PFR number to be higher (closer to VPIP).

BlueNowhere said:

I was just showing a universal number where sb = 1/2bb. In this instance 1 unit = 1 cent.
So here 1 orbit (from CO to BB) where you post from CO cost $0.00667/hand and if you wait till the bb it also cost $0.00667/hand.

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Damnit explain it to me like I'm 3 I guess. Wouldn't it cost more because technically we don't get to play 4 hands for .0067 because two of those hands we have to pay up(when we hit the blinds)

Ok I'll try. If we post the blind from the CO we pay $0.04 to play from CO to UTG without having to put any more money in. That's 6 hands we play. So $0.04/6 = $0.0067 paid for each hand we see.

Now if we take the normal route of posting the SB and BB. In this instance we would pay $0.06 and we get to see 9 hands before we have to put any more money in the pot. So $0.06/9 = $0.0067 for every hand we see.

So whether we post from the CO or from the BB we don't actually pay any different per hand. The only question is what is more +ev, if you have a +ve bb/100 then posting from CO would be more +ev without even taking into account not having to play as many hands OOP which sucks.

Dont ever post blinds online unless there is a 100 vpip whale open shoving every hand it really does add up. I remember when i was at 2nl over however many hands i played there around 15-20k i think, i'd lost about 5 buyins from posting blinds alone when not in the blinds, not great!

acky100 said:

Dont ever post blinds online unless there is a 100 vpip whale open shoving every hand it really does add up. I remember when i was at 2nl over however many hands i played there around 15-20k i think, i'd lost about 5 buyins from posting blinds alone when not in the blinds, not great!

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Why not from the CO? If you have a wr of 10bb/100 at 2nl posting the blind from the CO you're going to win like 0.6bb every time you post from CO instead of BB. Probably more since your two worst positions aren't played in so your win rate from CO to UTG even posting blinds from CO is probably higher than your avg 10bb/100.

Also saying you lost 5bi isn't neccesarrily a true reflection of the ev of it since you'd have lost money posting blinds anyway so you have to treat posting blinds as the zero value and look at the ev of it comapred to that. Also you'll have won money from HJ-UTG from posting blinds which is not taken into account looking at a stat of how much you lost.