$4 NLHE Full Ring: KK Fit or Fold?

Merge - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $3.85
BB: $4
UTG: $4.12
UTG+1: $3.16
MP Hero: $3.10
MP+1: $4.69
MP+2: $4.23
CO: $2.61
BTN: $5.35

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is MP and dealt
UTG calls $0.04, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 6 folds, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38) (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG raises to $0.66, Hero calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.70) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.84, Hero calls $0.84

River: ($3.38) (2 players)
UTG bets $2.46 (All-in), Hero?


How did I do here? Suggestions please!

pre is fine. on the flop, without any reads it's hard to know his range in this hand. could easily have 55, 77, Qx and small chance of flush draw. Qx is going to be a big part of his range. unless you know his tendency's i am committed on this flop.
we only had 77.5bb's to start this hand, i would just shove over his flop raise.

Yeah, shove flop. Youre way ahead of his range.

As played, call river...but unless you had a specific read and thought he was just barreling/bluffing...should shove either flop or turn.

I prefer:

Merge - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $3.85
BB: $4
UTG: $4.12
UTG+1: $3.16
MP Hero: $4
MP+1: $4.69
MP+2: $4.23
CO: $2.61
BTN: $5.35

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is MP and dealt
Hero buys in full, UTG calls $0.04, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 6 folds, UTG calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.46) (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.46, UTG raises to $0.99, Hero puts retard all in

Also what do you mean fit or fold? You only ever gonna continue with KK if you make top set?

Aldito said:

Also what do you mean fit or fold? You only ever gonna continue with KK if you make top set?

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No, definitely not. What I was getting at was that I had this hand under control preflop and then suddenly he donks into me and continues betting strong. The way that he seemed to be looking to hit and then check raised and became super aggressive had me apprehensive. I was thinking maybe I could fold here? It just didn't feel right. I didn't have any reads or stats on the guy. Maybe that is dumb to do vs an unknown at the micros tho.

Villians most likely flop hand is a flush draw, followed by some strong hands. I would tend to conditionally commit on that flop. Call the raise then if turn bricks shove over his bet. Yes you lose slightly more often because you let him see a turn card but you will lose smaller pots when you do. You also get an extra turn bet for your trouble and likely his whole stack.

Buyin full. With your stack size this is allin all day don't even think about folding. Bet more on the flop and just ship when he raises imo. If not definitely shove the turn for value.

BlackRain79 said:

Buyin full. With your stack size this is allin all day don't even think about folding. Bet more on the flop and just ship when he raises imo. If not definitely shove the turn for value.

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I only have $45 on the site which is why I chose $3 BI. I figured it was better to be 15 BI deep instead of 11 BI deep. Knowing that info do you think I should still play $4 BI?

Reptar7 said:

I only have $45 on the site which is why I chose $3 BI. I figured it was better to be 15 BI deep instead of 11 BI deep. Knowing that info do you think I should still play $4 BI?

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Buy in full. This is awful logic.

Reptar7 said:

No, definitely not. What I was getting at was that I had this hand under control preflop and then suddenly he donks into me and continues betting strong. The way that he seemed to be looking to hit and then check raised and became super aggressive had me apprehensive. I was thinking maybe I could fold here? It just didn't feel right. I didn't have any reads or stats on the guy. Maybe that is dumb to do vs an unknown at the micros tho.

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He never donks into you - he check raises and after that always has the betting lead so no donking occurs.

Just get it in flop, he's not folding a Q or a draw on that board

Pascal-lf said:

He never donks into you - he check raises and after that always has the betting lead so no donking occurs.

Just get it in flop, he's not folding a Q or a draw on that board

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Oh yeah got confused.

Aldito said:

Buy in full. This is awful logic.

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Can you explain further? Most people are only playing with $3 or less anyways. The people buying in full at 4nl are the good players. I just like having a little more depth to my BR so I am more resistant to variance. Can you give a better explanation as to why that is incorrect?

Aldito said:

I prefer:

Merge - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
Party Poker Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $3.85
BB: $4
UTG: $4.12
UTG+1: $3.16
MP Hero: $4
MP+1: $4.69
MP+2: $4.23
CO: $2.61
BTN: $5.35

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is MP and dealt
Hero buys in full, UTG calls $0.04, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 6 folds, UTG calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.46) (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.46, UTG raises to $0.99, Hero puts retard all in

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lol ditto.

Reptar7 said:

I only have $45 on the site which is why I chose $3 BI. I figured it was better to be 15 BI deep instead of 11 BI deep. Knowing that info do you think I should still play $4 BI?

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This reminds me of a key flaw in looking at your bankroll on a per site basis.

Let's say I have $45 on a site, and $300 on another site on the same network. My roll is $345. Period. I don't have a $45 roll one one site and a separate roll of $300 on the other.

If you don't see the flaw, consider this. Let's assume I'm using a BRM guideline of 25 buyins. If I login on the site where I have $300, I have 30 buyins to sit at an NL10 table, so NP. But if I'm on the other site, I can't play at the exact same table vs. the exact same opponents because I only have $45 there?????? How does that make sense?

I'd rather play with 11 100BB buyins than 15 75BB Buyins.