$4 NLHE Full Ring: KK on AQJ board

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 38.75 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 173 BB
UTG: 95 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG+1: 79 BB (VPIP: 24.19, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
MP: 139 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
MP+1: 232 BB(VPIP: 27.47, PFR: 10.73, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 235)
CO: 109.25 BB (VPIP: 37.04, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 93 BB (VPIP: 8.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, MP+1 calls 4 BB, fold

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (21.5 BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 13.75 BB, Hero calls 13.75 BB

River: (49 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets 16 BB, fold

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I check called flop because he is a tricky sort of player... with 2 pair+ or anything that has the board dominated he would consider checking back flop. Since I don't bet out here I think it gives a lot away about my hand.

I call hit flop bet since I don't think he has too many aces in this spot, more likely he has a flush draw, or a Q and a gut shot, or some draw-y hand like that. Again, if he does have an ace, he may not bet here unless he's not too confident of it. I suspect we could even get a weak ace to fold here. I'm pretty sure I can outplay this guy even OOP, so I want to keep him in the hand and keep him bluffing.

He bets over half pot on the turn so this makes it more likely a bluff than anything else, since he bet less than half pot on the flop. Also, I have shown a lot of weakness so it makes sense that he would try to take advantage of it. But again there aren't too many hands that beat me really... lol no there are tons of hands that do, but I don't think any of them would take this betting line.

Then comes river. This is probably where I need the most help, so please let me know how to improve! Again, since we have shown weakness it would make sense for him to bluff, esp. if he can fire 2 barrels. So I decide to bet out, since I don't think I'd be able to call a big river bet. Then again, I'm not sure my opponent is capable of making such a river bluff.

But what should I be thinking? I bet out small because if he has a Q I'm looking for a call... the bet also blocks his bluffs (again, not very likely from this player, so I don't think he can even raise me here since I have called 2 streets, though it would have been a good play. ) I don't really expect an ace to fold at this point...

Since there is only one worse hand that can call, does the bet even make sense?

I will tell you, though, I felt like a total bad ass playing this hand... I felt like I played it quite well and made sound judgement, so I guess I'm just posting it here for minor critiques, critiques of the river bet, and also to know if this even was a good play cause the board was so damn scary!! If I played like an ass-clown, let me know too :marchmell


This is the same opponent as my most recent thread too... here are his full stats...

257 hands - VPIP 27.06 - PFR 10.59 - CBet 87.50 - Fold2Cbet 36.36 - AF 1.7 - AFq 45.88 - WTSD 28.13 - WWSF 53.13

You assumed a lot of things without proper logic. He could had limped something like KTs or Ax suited. That is what bad players do.
His AF is low so he is a passive guy. SLP. Him betting 2 streets is quite strong.

So on the river.
1. He has an Ace and he calls and you loose or worse he goes over the top minraising and getting more value from you. That bet is so weak. I would call there even with A2s.
2. He does not have an Ace and you could take it to showdown without risking more money. I do not think he would go crazy with his missed draw. When you have nothing there you are scared sh..t on a A high board.

Actually I cannot understand your river bet... Check call if you think your hand is better as betting here will bring you no value, and check fold if you think you already get beaten.

The hand was played in a very funny way, by the end of it looks like villain had J10 or Q10 as most likely possibilities. Since villain was a loose aggressive player you took a chance of leading out on the river for some reason doing totally opposite to what most people would have done.

Does it make sense to lead out ?? Well to the villain it will look like you slow played a monster from the flop. This move is not advisable under usual circumstances but it got the job done and that's what is required. So well done for the gutsy play. Give yourself a pat on the back.:icon_quee

I think both played very unusual.

Villain betting for value but fold at the end.

Hero just calling on streets and bet at the end.

swingro said:

You assumed a lot of things without proper logic. He could had limped something like KTs or Ax suited. That is what bad players do.
His AF is low so he is a passive guy. SLP. Him betting 2 streets is quite strong.

So on the river.
1. He has an Ace and he calls and you loose or worse he goes over the top minraising and getting more value from you. That bet is so weak. I would call there even with A2s.
2. He does not have an Ace and you could take it to showdown without risking more money. I do not think he would go crazy with his missed draw. When you have nothing there you are scared sh..t on a A high board.

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Ok, thanks for the replys everyone! they have been super helpful.

What does SLP mean?

No doubt Ax and K10 are in his limp/calling range. So should I just fold on the flop? Again, I suspect that when he best out on the flop the only hand that he has that beats me is a weak ace.

Was check calling ok? Once we call flop it follows to call turn when it is an irrelevant card, nothing has changed.

The river I should have check called any reasonable bet? a bet is never getting called by worse or getting many better hands to fold, save a weak ace.

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And check calling is the only thing I could do, eh? It wouldn't make sense to bet out on the flop, other than to get value from a flush draw, or 9 10 or something.

Please let me know, and thanks for the feedback so far!

SLP = semi loose passive
Problem at this lvls is that even decent regs have problems giving up on their big pps. First to say you are OOP. So you do not control the situation at any moment. Second , how many bluffs does he have in his range giving the fact that he is quite passive postflop? Not many and all of them semibluffs that he bets without being disturbed by you untill the river. Maybe it is just me but i would fold flop because i do not see how calling is +EV. Even if he has an A or he has a flush draw he goes by the river cheap and we cannot get value.