$4 NLHE Full Ring: JJ on Q high dry board

teh_colonel_saigon

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Hey CC...

This is one of those hands where I bet out b/c I know y'all would be pissed if I didn't... but I don't understand why...


I'm talking specifically on the turn. I was thinking he would call with a lot of 99 or TT type hands... sometimes even AK from these clowns...

Also, is my preflop ok? I don't feel comfortable 3-betting jacks, it doesn't make too much sense to me.

I mean, we're looking for a fold right? but at the same time, he'd only fold worse hands than ours, and call with better.... I just don't get it. wouldn't check calling the turn be better? and what if we do go to the river? what's our plan then?

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 74.5 BB (VPIP: 27.85, PFR: 2.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 161)
BB: 115.75 BB (VPIP: 17.37, PFR: 9.93, 3Bet Preflop: 3.61, Hands: 1,313)
UTG: 92.75 BB (VPIP: 16.85, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 89)
UTG+1: 37.75 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (MP): 237.5 BB
MP+1: 59.75 BB (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
CO: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 4.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
BTN: 121.75 BB (VPIP: 19.25, PFR: 1.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 163)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has :js4: :jd4:


UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (16 BB, 5 players) :6s4: :qh4: :3c4:
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 12 BB, BTN calls 12 BB, fold, fold, fold

Turn: (40 BB, 2 players) :2s4:
Hero bets 20 BB, fold

Hero wins 38 BB
 
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Your play looks fine to me. Sometimes you may want to sprinkle a 3-bet from time to time, just so your opponents don't pick up on any patterns on you. That is situationally dependent on your table, how your opponents are playing, their stack sizes.

In this case, you had three checks behind you, so betting out seems to be fine, especially if your opponents are not likely to check-call behind. The fact that they folded and only the button called confirms that your play was fine. I'm puzzled as to what the button would call you with to fold on your turn bet.

(S)he either had some pair worse than JJ, as you were saying, or he had a QJ/QT/Q9 type of hand where he may have been putting you on a bigger Q. I think a good, solid player finds a fold here. Based on BTN's VPIP & PFR, that is certainly a possibility. This person is playing pretty tight so is not likely to float two streets to try and force you off the river. So where you are going to extract value more often than not is on the flop, and you accomplished that.
 
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No reason to bet so big on flop, half pot will accomplish the same thing multiway like 95%+ of the time, I would probably check turn, because villain will only bet this turn when checked to when we are behind. He isn't calling flop 4 ways (or w.e it was) then betting a 6 or a 3 or a pocket pair less than QQ on this turn. By betting JJ here, you are basically turning into a bluff, he (almost) never calls with worse. Theres basically no draws out there unless he picked up back door spades. so I would put 90%+ of his range when he almost certainly checks behind on this turn (which we now know he would have since he folded to your bet, he wouldn't have folded if he had a queen) as random sixes, random threes,and pocket 4's pocket 5's and pocket 7's-10's. Check turn go for value on river, if he bets when checked to on turn its an easy fold.
 
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I would check the flop, not many hands we can get value, no need to protect, only from A,K, but definetly betting the turn then. ;)
 
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JJ is a strong starting hand and gives you good equity preflop . Be aware that when you 3-bet jacks and get called your equity Decreases significantly as the hands that call are the AQ types that have good equity against you and the hands that tend to fold out are the small to mid pairs you crush.
Calling here was correct preflop imo. Taking a stab on the flop on such a dry board is ok. The advantage here is that there is only one Broadway card which means anyone else with two other Broadways doesn't even have a gunshot. If it was QT3 then don't bet as AK AJ KJ all have draws to the nuts and will usually see at least 1 card. These are the things you need to be considering to help the decision to bet. Your bets should be for a reason not just because you don't know what to do.
Having said that if you don't know what to do then a bet gives you the chance to win the hand there and then. so if in doubt bet.
 
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This was a risky play on the flop especially when you are up against five opponents post flop. I usually like slowing down on the flop when i am up against so many players and not risk any more money.

It worked out for you this time around but i wouldn't recommend making such plays in a multiway pot.

If (a player wakes up with a hand) / (you come up against a calling station) and you end up barreling more than one street you'll simply bleed chips and you'll end up with a realization that "the play was unnecessary". :icon_king
 
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There was one player left and I figured if you had a good Queen in a multiway pot you'd want to bet it- that was my reasoning.

Thanks for the feedback all, I do read your posts, though I don't always respond :) I appreciate it CCers.
 
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