$4 NLHE Full Ring: $ : I won, but think I should of layed down?

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RamdeeBen

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Hi guys..can you give me some advice on this hand. I raised with A,Kos and got 4 callers SIGH. Not enough of a raise or something? Anyway this is how the hand played out in the end. I was so sure I was beat with a straight because who in the right mind would call a raise with anything much worse than J,Q..Then again it is mirco stakes.

Anyway, after the river I thought either he had the straight or flush but just couldn't lay down my top 2 pair. Was this bad player in reality and how would you of played the hand? Would you of let the hand go or what? I was surprised he turned over Ace,10 in the end and considering the bet amounts I deffo thought drawing something or had done already. I would of re-raised him when he bet but the board was so dangerous I was so convinced I was beat that's why I'm mad I called with it as I can't help myself even though I won. Over the long term that's going to cost me?


pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($0.76)
MP ($1.21)
Button ($1.17)
SB ($2)
Hero (BB) ($2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A
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, K
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1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.06, Button calls $0.06, SB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.32) A
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, 6
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, K
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(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.62) 10
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(3 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold

River: ($1.12) 9
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

Total pot: $1.82 | Rake: $0.08
 
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probably raise 10-12 cents pre; bet way more on the flop, closer to pot and go all-in on the turn.
 
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No, you can't fold there, not at those odds. Your two pair will be good at the very least half of the time there, so at about 4-to-1 it's an easy call. The only think I would have done differently is raise more pre-flop and bet a larger amount on the flop. I wouldn't raise the turn or river either, you made the right plays.
 
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($0.76)
MP ($1.21)
Button ($1.17)
SB ($2)
Hero (BB) ($2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A
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, K
heart.gif

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.06, Button calls $0.06, SB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.32) A
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, 6
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, K
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(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.62) 10
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(3 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold

River: ($1.12) 9
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

Total pot: $1.82 | Rake: $0.08

That's what your post should look like. 1) it has been converted with a hand converter and 2) the results have been removed. Converting the hand makes it much easier to read, and removing the results will give you unbiased answers. This is really really really really... (100 really's later) really important. Please do this in the future! I'm editing it into OP. Also! Please give a better description in the thread title. Something "2nl, line check with AK" would be 1000x better than what you put.

As played, I would raise more pre, bet more on the flop, raise on the turn, and probably jam the river (although you might have been able to jam the turn if you had used bigger bet sizing :p). On the river a flush is nearly impossible because the draw hit runner runner, there is one combo of a straight that he could have, QJ, which is very unlikely, he probably would have folded the flop. He is overplaying Ax or hit some weak two pair like 90% of the time I would guess.
 
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Yeah jam river might look like a missed spade draw.
 
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cjatud2012:

Sorry. I've never seen the hand converter before either nor didn't realise that removing the results is a must. Why is this? I thought it would of gave people an easier time in knowing how it played out in the end and just wanted to know if I played the hand wrong and should of folded with the dangerous board.

As for your reply, thank you. However I've noticed people will call with suited or high non suited connectors regardless of the raise and because he was betting into me I had a feeling he flopped an open straight draw with Q,J. Then another bet on turn gave even more reason to think he had got it.

ps: "2nl, line check with AK" < < As I'm still quite new to poker I don't even understand what the line meant let alone being about to put it! I still need to get into the swing of poker slang, so maybe you can start by telling me what that actually means ?:p

Cheers.
 
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there is one combo of a straight that he could have, QJ, which is very unlikely, he probably would have folded the flop. He is overplaying Ax or hit some weak two pair like 90% of the time I would guess.

It's not very likely on the flop, but becomes more and more likely as he keeps betting after the turn. If it was the QJ of spades he definitely isn't folding the flop. After his bet on the river, I say he has a straight 25% of the time, trips about 10%, two pair about 50%, one pair or nothing 15%. If this is right if he calls he wins the $1.47 pot 65% of the time and loses $0.35 35% of the time, so there's 0.833 equity on the call.
By jamming, assuming the villain folds the 15% of the times where he has one pair or nothing and half of the times where he has two pair, he'll win $2.69 25% of the time, $1.47 40% of the time and lose $1.57 35% of the time. That gives us 0.711 equity.

So the call would be better. Of course, if the villain called with two pair every time, jamming becomes the more profitable play.
 
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cjatud2012:

Sorry. I've never seen the hand converter before either nor didn't realise that removing the results is a must. Why is this? I thought it would of gave people an easier time in knowing how it played out in the end and just wanted to know if I played the hand wrong and should of folded with the dangerous board.

well for example, what if he showed up with AA here? Well then the results would clearly show you should fold, right? No, because that doesn't make any sense, he would have 3-bet pre, check/raised the flop, bet more on the turn or river as he tries to get value... So you can see how the results can tempt a person to draw inaccurate conclusions about how you should play a hand.

As for your reply, thank you. However I've noticed people will call with suited or high non suited connectors regardless of the raise and because he was betting into me I had a feeling he flopped an open straight draw with Q,J. Then another bet on turn gave even more reason to think he had got it.

QJ has only a gutshot straight draw, for 4 outs. In addition, that's the ONLY straight draw we have to worry about, the rest of his range is Ax, maybe even Kx or smaller pairs. AA/KK is unlikely given that he didn't raise/reraise pre-flop, plus you have an ace and a king yourself, so there are fewer combos of those pairs that your opponent could have. So QJ is like ~5% of his range.

Even so, if you thought he held QJ, why wouldn't you bet more on the flop? If he's going to call and try to hit his draw, why wouldn't you try to extract the maximum value?

ps: "2nl, line check with AK" < < As I'm still quite new to poker I don't even understand what the line meant let alone being about to put it! I still need to get into the swing of poker slang, so maybe you can start by telling me what that actually means ?:p

Cheers.

no problem, there's definitely a learning curve with the poker culture. The way that you played a hand is often called your "line". So when I say we'll "check" your line, we're looking at the way you played your hand and see if there were any mistakes.
 
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try making your minimum raise at 2nl $0.08. Since that is your minimum raise, you need to raise more when other people enter the pot. You should've raised to .12 or .14 preflop.

On the flop, your bet is WAY small. I don't know if you did that because you wanted him to call or you just didn't know how much to bet. For me i always make my bets anywhere from 2/3-3/4 the pot. So on this flop, given the size of the pot, i'd bet around .20
 
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