$4 NLHE Full Ring: How to play against super passive?

$4 NL HE Full Ring: How to play against super passive?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 61/14/0.29

Sample was over 50 hands. I guess I didn't really know how to play him and default to shoving on the turn.

Stacks:
* MP2 with $4.95
* CO with $1.28
* BTN with $4.61
* SB with $1.05
* BB with $2.37
* UTG with $2.94
* MP1 with $2.65


Blinds: $0.01/$0.02
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to BB:9♠ A♠
* * Sklansky group 5
Preflop:
* * 1 players fold.
* * MP1 raises $0.06 to $0.08
* * 2 players fold.
* * BTN calls [$0.08]
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$0.06]
* * Total folds this street: 4
* * Potsize: $0.25
Flop:
* * 7♣ 9♦ 7♥
* * Hero bets [$0.25]
* * MP1 raises $0.25 to $0.50
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$0.25]
* * Total folds this street: 1
* * Potsize: $1.25
Turn:
* * 5♠
* * Hero bets [$1.79] [ all-in ]
* * MP1 calls [$1.79]
* * Potsize: $4.83
River:
* * 5♣
Results:


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sample is small but its still super passive so imo he is never raising the flop with less then a 7,maybe a big overpair.
I fold this pre-flop cause where out of postion against a MP passive raiser with a easily dominated hand.
i usualy dont like donking here but since villain is so passive i dont mind but after he raises its a auto muck every time for me.
Dont really get the turn shove,sure we picked up the NFD but the board is paired and even if villain is a retard I dont really see what better hands fold and worse hands call.

When a passive player like this starts raising u its time to take a good hard look at your hand and think if u really whant to go to war with it.

Thanks sindri! You're right I should have mucked pre-flop. I donked and got min-raised and so I just called there. Fold might have been good. Turn, I guess I was just trying to put pressure on him and get him to fold. Didn't work.

By the way.. he showed down QQ which confused the heck out of me and why I posted the hand.

If we take his PFR at face value, then he probably has better than A9. Also, A9, suited or not, does not play well in multiway pots. I'd chuck it preflop.

Then on the flop, the bet is ok because he's so passive, but I think calling his raise is bad. There are only a couple of hands you could beat that a normal player might raise with. And this guy is super passive, so there's about zero hands you can beat if he's raising.

On the turn, my question is do you know him to be a calling station postflop or just passive? Because in shoving, you're hoping he has 88 or 66, and you want him to make a bad call. But if he's just passive and not necessarily a calling station, I think a small bet is much better. He'd have to be very loose to call the all-in with 88 or 66. But if he is a calling station, then shoving is good to get maximum value. However, this is based on the false belief that A9 was good on the flop, but the reasoning is consistent with the reasoning for the flop play.

Yeah that was the reasoning. I thought he'd call the shove with worse then TPTK. Thought maybe he had spiked the 7 but the pocket queens threw me.

spore said:

Yeah that was the reasoning. I thought he'd call the shove with worse then TPTK. Thought maybe he had spiked the 7 but the pocket queens threw me.

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He is bad enough to call with less then TPTK but the problem is just when u check his pre-flop raise %,his range drops to:
77+,A7s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo.
When u add that to the fact he raised the flop his range becomes even stronger and is something like this:
77,99,TT-AA,A7s,A9,K9.

So prf your not so bad against his range but still a underdog and add the fact your OOP you have to fold.
d 0: 55.859% 53.68% 02.18% 146834561 5962866.75 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 44.141% 41.96% 02.18% 114780269 5962866.75 { As9s }

On the flop your in major trouble after he raises:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.168% 62.23% 06.94% 30187 3366.50 { 99+, 77, A9s, A7s, K9s, A9o, A7o, K9o }
Hand 1: 30.832% 23.89% 06.94% 11590 3366.50 { As9s }

And then on the turn even if your hand improved your equity still droped against his range:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.820% 66.14% 06.68% 1426 144.00 { 99+, 77, A9s, A7s, K9s, A9o, A7o, K9o }
Hand 1: 27.180% 20.50% 06.68% 442 144.00 { As9s }

Okay it was worse than I thought. This hand was from a while ago and I was just trying to figure it out. I would muck the A9s in this spot now. And I definitely should mucked those cards so damn fast after the flop raise.. I dunno wtf I was thinking.. well I do, I wasn't thinking through it and overvalued TPTK w/ backdoor FD.

Thanks for the numbers though, that puts the hand into exactly the perspective I needed.

I put him on an overpair. If you have the read at him that he is supertight you should have mucked your cards preflop. the 2$ where a present to him...