$4 NLHE Full Ring: Getting value with the nuts

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$4 NL HE Full Ring: Getting value with the nuts

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 11/7/6

Villian is 11/7/6AF, 130 hands.

Im tryin to work on getting value lately.



full tilt poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 663281
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MP2: $2.05
CO: $2.14
BTN: $5.03
Hero (SB): $2.24
BB: $2.01
UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $2.41
MP1: $1.64

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A :club: A :spade:
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.04, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.42) A :diamond: 3 :diamond: 8 :spade: (2 players)
Hero???
 
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We need to bet here. What stinks is that it's not very often that our opponent will have/ can improve to a second best hand, but they can improve to a better hand, i.e. a flush, to beat us. So there aren't a lot of hands that we can extract from, but we still need to bet to charge draws. I think that makes sense.
 
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Just bet it. Hes a nit and prolly folding but hell just check/fold turn anyway if you try to slowplay. Might somehow have a flush draw or something else that'll peel, and when its set v set gotta make sure the money gets in the middle
 
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These are spots that are hard since we are so far ahead of everything on the flop but we do not want to give away free cards. Most of the time when we bet this villain will just fold, but I guess all we can really do is lead out with a bet and hope he has the last A in the deck...

As mentioned already, even if we do check this, the turn isn't going to bring much to improve his hand unless it gives him the flush so unless he has already hit I don't think there is much more value you can get here.
 
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I actually think against this type of villain we should just check. I can't figure out what kind of flush draw he can have here except KdQd. I'm not for giving free cards or slowplaying the nuts but we are 98-2 against his range. Maybe bet a ghey amount like 11 cents and hope he spazzes.
 
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I think checking is better option here. It's very hard for your opponent to hit that board. He's a 2nl nit so check and let him bluff or catch up. If he gets aggressive then he might have AK AQ. Betting here is errrr not a great play because your getting a large range of his hands to fold. If you check and he checks back then you have to bet turn.
 
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I hate slowplaying the nuts as well, but ya, against this guy, I think checking this is okay. Especially since the pot is already bloated, and we can get all in in 2 streets.
 
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Yeah I see checking here as a neccesary option, you could be representing a pair that's angry about that ace. Really the flush draw is not that scary here and you wanna get something out of this hand.
 
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so here is what i did...



Flop: ($0.42) A :diamond: 3 :diamond: 8 :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, UTG+1 folds

a ton of the time these min raises by nits in ep are a mid pocket pair so i was hoping to get a call by some of them.




then i had this hand today...

no stats, only 8 hands.


Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 664824
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BTN: $0.94
SB: $2.73
BB: $2.00
Hero (UTG): $2.00
UTG+1: $1.04
MP: $1.87
CO: $0.96

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A :club: A :diamond:
Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.23) 2 :club: A :spade: 5 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.23) J :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, CO folds



ehh, someday the nits just dont have s***
 
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I actually think against this type of villain we should just check. I can't figure out what kind of flush draw he can have here except KdQd. I'm not for giving free cards or slowplaying the nuts but we are 98-2 against his range. Maybe bet a ghey amount like 11 cents and hope he spazzes.

^^^ great message. I was thinking along the lines of the first posters that there's a flush draw blablablabla but never thought that he's a nit who called a 3-bet, he's not having xx suited too often. So just wanted to say thanks for the perspective!

Also, in addition, an AF of 6 seems a bit high even for such a nit, it could mean he does have a few bluffs in his range, perhaps more than most nits...
 
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In my mind, at these stakes, bet sizing is not really recognized. If you want to check, perhaps bet smaller. Like 1/3 - 1/2 pot. With such a hand, you want to build a pot. Even if it's only by a little. And chances are they have to hit the turn and river perfectly to hit you.
 
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i would check here. can't really explain why but we are so far ahead of everything that i will give a free card.
 
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