$4 NLHE Full Ring: Flush draw + pair vs EP cbet & shove - do I call?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 14/10/1.9

I call an EP raise from the fairly tight villain (14/10/1.9). The only read I have is that he has cbet the flop heads-up w/ when he misses. But he cbets strong too. I flop a high flush draw w/ a pair and raise his half pot bet into me. He then shoves. Hmmm...

Ok, so I probably shouldn't have called his EP raise preflop w/ KQs, but as played I flop a nice draw w/ middle pair. He could have me beat badly w/ a set, or possibly beat less badly w/ AK, AQ, KQ -- all of which he continues with here. Calling his first cbet & chasing the draw seems fishy. So I raise. Was this spewy? And as played, do I want to get my money in there after his shove?

Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
Hand History Converter

MP: $4.29
Hero (CO): $4.00
BTN: $6.46
SB: $3.90
BB: $8.04
UTG: $2.54
UTG+1: $6.14

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO with J Q
UTG raises to $0.16, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.16, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.38) 5 Q K (2 players)
UTG bets $0.19, Hero raises to $0.95, UTG raises to $2.38 all in
Hero....

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Board: Kd Qc 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.293% 58.29% 00.01% 15003 1.50 { QQ+, 55, AKo, KQo }
Hand 1: 41.707% 41.70% 00.01% 10734 1.50 { QdJd }


After you raise it up so big on the flop you are committed to the pot and have to call. The pot odds are 28% and your equity against his strongest range is almost 42% so yeah, easy call. Him not sitting with a full stack makes your decision really easy.

Are you not turning your hand into a bluff here? Anything your beating TT/JJ, worse fd's, Ax thats missed, anything else, folds, and anything thats beating you just shoves. I'd say your beat but you have to call now you raise that big with the effective stacks.

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Aldito said:

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Ummm
Fold Pre

I'm not a fan of the call pre but now that you've flopped so well, why would you want him out of the hand if you know he c-bets often when he misses? I call the flop and re-evaluate turn. As played the raise is far too large anyway. If you raise to $0.50 he will still fold the same hands and if he shoves you can fold.

I would definitely call pre. It isn't an easy hand to play but I think it had lots of value in position, yes hands like Kj, KQ, Aj can get you in trouble but just don't get too attached to the pairs if you get raised. I tend to raise these flops sometimes because you have lots of outs and aren't miles behind a lot of hands. Although mostly I would call because this flop has probably hit villains range nicely.

watchtowel said:

I would definitely call pre. It isn't an easy hand to play but I think it had lots of value in position, yes hands like Kj, KQ, Aj can get you in trouble but just don't get too attached to the pairs if you get raised. I tend to raise these flops sometimes because you have lots of outs and aren't miles behind a lot of hands. Although mostly I would call because this flop has probably hit villains range nicely.

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The reason you shouldn't call pre.Villain has 63.5bb to start raises almost 5xbb UTG.His over all pfr was 10 what do you think his UTG pfr would be.Your risking to many bb with his range crushing yours with a chance to win 58bb if you crush the flop (and he still pays you off).

Easy fold pre against a villian with that small of a stack.
Obviously folding this flop is awful. This is the exact flop you want when calling with speculative hands like QJs.