$4 NLHE Full Ring: FD/OESD on Turn vs AI fish

Played real fishy over the 50 hands I sat with him. Still not sure it was the correct line to take. Standard Cbet on flop, though I knew he wouldn't fold with atc.


Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $0.74
BTN: $4.13
SB: $2.61
BB: $1.42
UTG: $1.04
UTG+1: $2.60
Hero (MP): $6.26

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A♣ T♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.12, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) Q♠ 5♣ 9♦
Hero bets $0.16, CO calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.62, 2 players) J♣
Hero bets $0.32, CO raises to $0.46 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.14

River: ($1.54, 2 players) 9♣

CO shows T♦ 8♣ (Straight, Queen High) (Pre 27%, Flop 27%, Turn 72%)
Hero shows A♣ T♣ (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 73%, Flop 73%, Turn 28%)
Hero wins $1.47


Sorry all the color suits are black. Every time I post PT4 HH in here it leaves the code and doesnt actually work and makes a wall of crappy coded text lol

Just ship the turn.

Tbh without giving it a great deal of thought whenever I'm in this spot I just assume my ace high was ahead preflop, that we've both missed and that I'm probably ahead post flop. And if he got lucky and hit then we have 6 outs and a world of backdoors. Open shove's the way to go, the guy's got $0.46 behind and there's already $0.30 in the pot so I'm happy for him to fold out any sort of high card random equity he might have.

Villain would have 62c on the flop.

There are so many gutshots on the flop, I'm trying to talk myself into check/folding. I don't think I can though. But we're rarely getting folds on this board against shitty short stacked fish. Maybe I do like a check/fold.... Or maybe I'm results oriented.

Once you get to the turn, whatever.

c9h13no3 said:

There are so many gutshots on the flop, I'm trying to talk myself into check/folding. I don't think I can though. But we're rarely getting folds on this board against shitty short stacked fish. Maybe I do like a check/fold.... Or maybe I'm results oriented.

Once you get to the turn, whatever.

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Yeah definitely meant to delete the results

Well lets switch it up now. Assume we're villain. Easiest fold ever on the flop? Just curious because I always fold gutshots like this. Curious to see if anyone will play at these for cheap?

c9h13no3 said:

I'm trying to talk myself into check/folding.

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C/f seems a touch unreasonable given our hand, villain being a fish and stack size/pot size ratio. I've also just realised villain has 0.62 on the flop but I stand by the shove.

Villain has T8o so let's say that's the bottom of his calling range. That means villains range according to pokerstove is the top 40.9% of hands and against that range we're 46.4%.

Pot odds are 0.62/1.54 so we need 40.3% hand equity to make the call profitable (assuming villains calls his entire range on the flop)

To have less than 40.3% equity villain's range would need to be only the top 24% of hands so check/fold is out of the question because villain is calling way more than 24% preflop. A check-raise would commit villain to call with his weaker range but then we're risking letting him draw on a draw heavy board which I don't think we're should allow his range to do. Basically just shove for value imo, it doesn't matter what villain does because we're so far ahead of his range that it's profitable regardless.

shove > bet > c/r > c/f

I've just crunched the numbers and it's actually fairly close in terms of range v's range equity here. Assuming villain is playing 40.9%, if he plays that range perfectly and only calls hands which are ahead of us then we lose $0.26, when I threw in a few gutshots we lose $0.17. Not sure how we fair against every possible gutshot + made hands + random fish calls but I'm fairly sure it's still gonna be marginally profitable. And that's also assuming T8o is the absolute bottom of villains range...

Shove turn.

Blobweird123 said:

Assume we're villain. Easiest fold ever on the flop?

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Flat calling the flop in villain's spot is atrocious given how short he is, unless you're cbetting like 100% of the time here and then giving up, which you're not on this board. Villain should either get it in or fold, with folding definitely being the better option. He shouldn't be flatting the hand he has here in the first place with a 18 blind stack.

c9h13no3 said:

There are so many gutshots on the flop, I'm trying to talk myself into check/folding. I don't think I can though. But we're rarely getting folds on this board against shitty short stacked fish. Maybe I do like a check/fold.... Or maybe I'm results oriented.

Once you get to the turn, whatever.

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For anybody posting hands, this is why we don't post results!

Look what it's done to him.