$4 NLHE Full Ring: Could I gain extra value on a river bet?

WVUsellers3

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Stats are only over 17 hands. I'm not really looking at anything preflop, and on the flop, but rather the turn and river. Anyways, here's the hand.

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
MP+1: $6.17
LP: $2.74
Hero (CO): $3.88
BTN: $7.08
SB: $4.96
BB: $4.00
UTG: $1.39
UTG+1: $4.34
MP: $7.72
SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A Q
fold, fold, MP raises to $0.08, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.36, BTN raises to $0.92, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.56

Flop: ($1.98, 2 players) 8 9 A
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.98, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.79, Hero calls $0.79

River: ($3.56, 2 players) 4
Hero ?

I had him pegged for either AK or KK because of his 4bet PF. Actually seeing him checking the flop actually makes it more likely that he has KK and not AK looking at it now. Anyways, what do you think the best play is on the river. Should I have shoved the river, or reraise shove on the turn?
 
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Don't care if you're looking for it or not.

1. Start with 100bb
2. Don't 3bet preflop
3. Don't call the 4bet preflop (I mean if you have someone pegged for KK/AK preflop calling with AQ seems really really bad!)
4. Shove over his turn bet
 
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Don't care if you're looking for it or not.

1. Start with 100bb
2. Don't 3bet preflop
3. Don't call the 4bet preflop (I mean if you have someone pegged for KK/AK preflop calling with AQ seems really really bad!)
4. Shove over his turn bet

Gotchya.

For the 3bet preflop, though, I was trying to isolate the original raiser, whom I have a read on, and I didn't think AQs wasn't a spewy 3bet. Would that be flawed thinking?
 
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Don't care if you're looking for it or not.

1. Start with 100bb
2. Don't 3bet preflop
3. Don't call the 4bet preflop (I mean if you have someone pegged for KK/AK preflop calling with AQ seems really really bad!)
4. Shove over his turn bet

Out of interest why do you want to shove the turn?
 
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Stack size left on the turn. With his bet, the pot is bigger than my stack I have behind.
 
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Why arent we 3betting AQs here WVH? I don't think i'd ever not 3bet AQs here against a guy who's probably fishy. Infact im going way wider than AQs too.

But yeah snap folding to the 4bet.
 
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But if he does have KK he probably folds and he just snaps AA/AK (presuming his 4bet range is KK+, AK, although he probs wouldn't 4-bet AK).

I think I prefer calling turn and leading river for a really small bet. just to eek out some extra value from KK (could maybe have QQ as well). It's always going to be difficult post flop when you call OOP in a 4-bet pot against a range that crushes you though.

On the 3-bet, I think the size should be slightly smaller as well.
 
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But if he does have KK he probably folds and he just snaps AA/AK (presuming his 4bet range is KK+, AK, although he probs wouldn't 4-bet AK).

I think I prefer calling turn and leading river for a really small bet. just to eek out some extra value from KK (could maybe have QQ as well). It's always going to be difficult post flop when you call OOP in a 4-bet pot against a range that crushes you though.

On the 3-bet, I think the size should be slightly smaller as well.

Annd this is why I'm coming to you guys, lol. Learning a lot from this hand. I thought my 4-bet call wasn't a bad move at the time (obviously) and it definitely was.

Plus the extra thinking as the hand is played that I also didn't come about in my head lol.
Appreciate the input guys.
 
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Don't care if you're looking for it or not.

1. Start with 100bb
2. Don't 3bet preflop
3. Don't call the 4bet preflop (I mean if you have someone pegged for KK/AK preflop calling with AQ seems really really bad!)

Ditto
 
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Fold preflop. You say yourself that you had him on AK or KK when he 4bets. AQs plays horribly against that range.
 
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