$4 NLHE Full Ring: Continuation Bet Allows Top Pair to Come

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Well I don't think this needs any introductory... Villain's stats are over 68 hands.

No Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.04
Merge Network
9 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

Stacks:
UTG - jbullag ($3.87)
UTG+1 - Rainmaker420 ($4.00)
UTG+2 - 4THEGOLD ($4.26)
MP - TwoOuter37020 ($5.24)
MP2 - Bl1ndPyr0 ($0.71)
CO - worsethanadonkey ($5.61)
BTN - Hero ($4.52)
SB - icejigger ($4.27)
BB - pokerspazz ($3.84)

Preflop: ($0.06, 9 players) Hero is BTN with Qh Ah
1 fold, Rainmaker420 calls $0.04, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, Rainmaker420 calls $0.12

Flop: 7d 5d 3s ($0.38, 2 players)
Rainmaker420 checks, Hero bets $0.20, Rainmaker420 calls $0.20

Turn: Qs ($0.78, 2 players)
Rainmaker420 checks, Hero bets $0.78, Rainmaker420 bets $3.64 (all-in), Hero calls $2.86

River: Jh ($8.06, 2 players)

Total Pot: $8.06
Rainmaker420 shows 5s 5c (5s 5c)
Hero shows Qh Ah (Qh Ah)

Rainmaker420 wins $7.66

My thought process: On the flop I'm purely c-betting. After the flop call, I assume he's on a flush draw. Because of this, I pot it on the turn to give him incorrect odds to call. He shoves on me, and I thought he picked up some weird top-pair-decent-kicker type hand like KQ... When he showed the 5s I was literally baffled. Granted I was also frustrated because I'm never calling his shove with Ace high, so the queen actually screwed me. But not looking for the sympathy vote ^.^:

I'm ready to be torn apart here. I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything right in this hand, but I never for the life of me would have put him on a set, so criticism that tells me the thought process for this hand is extreeeeeemely helpful here. :confused:
 
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Can't see stats but this is textbook Baluga Theorem: c/c c/r (especially after limp-call pre) beats overpairs/TPTK. Folding the turn here should be pretty standard against most players at this level, who will mostly be passive.
 
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Please convert hand histories before posting, i agree with baud!
 
Matt Vaughan

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Please convert hand histories before posting, i agree with baud!
Do you mean that the CC format is better?? I just use the text-version that poker copilot puts out. I have yet to find the hand histories myself, so I'd need to go through my computer to find the directory


OP read this: http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/theorems/baluga/

(Also check out the other articles, they're very good).

The Poker Bank has been my main source if strategy since I got back into poker (a few months ago). I believe I glanced at this theorem, but obviously it didn't "stick." I paid most attention to Sklanksy's Fundamental Theorem of Poker.

Sorry, not sure why the Villain stats didn't post as they were supposed to. Villain was 20/0/1.
 
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I use DC hc my self it looks clean and is easy to read.I just keep it bookmarked.Then when i paste it on here i type in villains stats beside them.

http://www.handconverter.com/
 
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Bet less on turn then fold to shove imo.
 
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My notes on Rainmaker420 include "check raises traps."

Knowing that, a fold wudda been pretty easy. Conversely, he's pretty easy to trap. :p


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Can't see stats but this is textbook Baluga Theorem: c/c c/r (especially after limp-call pre) beats overpairs/TPTK. Folding the turn here should be pretty standard against most players at this level, who will mostly be passive.
+1. Also i'd bet more on the flop to get more value out of overpairs and draws
 
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+1. Also i'd bet more on the flop to get more value out of overpairs and draws
How the hell are you going to get more value out of overpairs with A high on that flop???????????????????//
 
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How the hell are you going to get more value out of overpairs with A high on that flop???????????????????//

It's the Gavin Smith theory of betting. Just bet. Nobody ever hits anyway. It works too... ;)


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Convert hand
Don't show results
Bet less on turn (most hands we value town are now underpairs)

Turn is close, stats would be nice. The double flush draw and no made hands other than sets is great. The way the hand has played out is scary. Open limp calls are generally weak hands. For a weak hand to get it in for value they need twopair+. Air is less likely as they flatted the flop, also makes the flush draws less likely as most diamonds raise and most spades fold.

Not going to answer this as results were shown. Hate answering with results as I feel it affects my answer. Also is very stat dependant. Maniacs it's a call, any sort of tight player it's a fold (they're limp/calling ranges are almost entirely small pocketpairs).
 
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Sorry, not sure why the Villain stats didn't post as they were supposed to. Villain was 20/0/1.

And yeah - if I'm being 100% honest it was probably a bit of a crying call as well, but I just wasn't sure what was going on.

I've yet to find my hand histories... Is there some default directory that they tend to end up in??? Thanks.
 
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