$4 NLHE Full Ring: Check-raised w/ OESD and hit on a scary river

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 15/10/2.2

I don't know if I played it well postflop and am going to go through it street-by-street. Villain is a reg (15/10/2.2) who chk-raises flop 8% and whose aggression tends to fade a lot from flop to river. No other reads.

Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players

CO: $3.31
BTN: $4.51
SB: $7.60
BB: $4.47
UTG: $1.60
Hero (UTG+1): $4.75
MP: $3.98

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG+1 with Q♣ A♣
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.16, 1 fold, CO calls $0.16, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.50) T♣ J♦ 9♦ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50, CO folds

I might not normally call here, especially heads up, but it's not a huge raise and the pot odds are about 3.5:1. Plus if the CO calls the check-raise, the implied odds might make this well worth it. I also know BB is likely not to follow through on the turn or river w/o a monster. Is this thinking wrong? Am I making a loose call?

I'm thinking the villain's range here is { JJ-88, AJs-A9s, KTs+, QJs, AJo-A9o, KTo+, QJo }, in which case my equity is 35.1%.​

Turn: ($2.25) 9♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

I'm not too surprised that he checks, so do I check behind w/ the intention of folding the river if I don't hit and betting if checked to me? Or do I bet here thinking he'll fold 2 pair w/ this scary board or will fold a flush draw to a big enough bet?
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River: ($2.25) K♦ (2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero ....?

I hit my straight but this isn't a great river. Did the villain hit his flush? Or did he slowplay his trip 9's or a full house on the turn maybe? Is my call spewy here?
 
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I call. I think we lose to a flush most the time but having an ace high straight makes this a calk for me. He can potentially have a flopped straight that opted to check/call when the board paired or an occasional qx straight draw although I think most qx hands having a pair makes this unlikely.
 
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raise the river, if he comes over you he probably has the flush/FH
 
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raise/call probably. depends if he repops/shoves it.
 
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Well since we started the hand with $4.50 and he has $3.35 left in his stack when he bets $1.50 on the river so even if we min raise the river he only has .35 behind. Raising anything less than a shove seems horrible. Shoving seems equally horrible. It's a call since we beat his Qx hands but we're also going to be beat by a flush fairly often.
 
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nah I reraise him and see what happens. thats just my style though, could be a wrong line to take, i dunno?
 
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Well since we rarely, if ever, win any more when we're ahead but we always lose the maximum when we're behind, I'd say it's most certainly the wrong line to take.
 
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yeah KD its the wrong line

style or not, its pretty bad to raise here..

also a 15/10 doesn't x/r this board with Qx by itself ever either he has a flush or a boat, its a fold imo
 
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villain can have lots of hands that we beat, and there's two that beat us, a flush and a FH. Im willing to raise the guy to see where we stand.
 
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OMGITSOVER9K said:
yeah KD its the wrong line

style or not, its pretty bad to raise here..

also a 15/10 doesn't x/r this board with Qx by itself ever either he has a flush or a boat, its a fold imo
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Could be KQ for the flopped straight.
 
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KerouacsDog said:
villain can have lots of hands that we beat, and there's two that beat us, a flush and a FH. Im willing to raise the guy to see where we stand.
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But you can't "see where you stand" when he has $1.80 left in his stack. You raise and he folds worse and calls with better. That's a BAD bet.
 
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ok. lol, not getting my play across very well.
 
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raising OTR is lol retarded

and assuming anyone with any kind of sense bets the turn with KQ
 
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the bets retarded.. -.-

take offense if you like, idc.
 
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Min raise the river to see where we stand. When he sticks his last 35ish cents in a pot of over $9 we'll know he has us beat and can safely fold.

It's my style.

Not the greatest flop to cbet multiway but w/e.
 
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DunningKruger said:
Min raise the river to see where we stand. When he sticks his last 35ish cents in a pot of over $9 we'll know he has us beat and can safely fold.

It's my style.

Not the greatest flop to cbet multiway but w/e.
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Sarcasm I hope lol. If not pleasssse join carbon and sit with me!
 
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No sarcasm. Villain will have very few bluffs when he jams because he knows we're getting like 25 to 1 or something like that to call. They don't expect us to fold there ever.

Raising 80% to 99% of effective stacks on the river to find out if you're beat or not, especially here when no better hand will fold and very little that we beat will call, is a very effective means of better defining your opponent's hand. It's basically printing money.
 
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Lol dk is the most blatent levelling account ever.
 
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rowhousepd said:
Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 15/10/2.2

I don't know if I played it well postflop and am going to go through it street-by-street. Villain is a reg (15/10/2.2) who chk-raises flop 8% and whose aggression tends to fade a lot from flop to river. No other reads.

Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players

CO: $3.31
BTN: $4.51
SB: $7.60
BB: $4.47
UTG: $1.60
Hero (UTG+1): $4.75
MP: $3.98

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG+1 with Q♣ A♣
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.16, 1 fold, CO calls $0.16, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.50) T♣ J♦ 9♦ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50, CO folds

I might not normally call here, especially heads up, but it's not a huge raise and the pot odds are about 3.5:1. Plus if the CO calls the check-raise, the implied odds might make this well worth it. I also know BB is likely not to follow through on the turn or river w/o a monster. Is this thinking wrong? Am I making a loose call?

I'm thinking the villain's range here is { JJ-88, AJs-A9s, KTs+, QJs, AJo-A9o, KTo+, QJo }, in which case my equity is 35.1%.​

Turn: ($2.25) 9♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

I'm not too surprised that he checks, so do I check behind w/ the intention of folding the river if I don't hit and betting if checked to me? Or do I bet here thinking he'll fold 2 pair w/ this scary board or will fold a flush draw to a big enough bet?
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River: ($2.25) K♦ (2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero ....?

I hit my straight but this isn't a great river. Did the villain hit his flush? Or did he slowplay his trip 9's or a full house on the turn maybe? Is my call spewy here?
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First of all I don't c-bet this flop. If I do its 3/4+ because im oop.
Turn means that drawing at any price except for free becomes useless, because you aren't drawing to the nuts anymore.
River - just call as you're allmost never getting called by worse if you raise. Maybe it's even a fold as what can he really have that you beat? But I'm too much of a fish to fold a straight.:willy:
 
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WVHillbilly said:
But you can't "see where you stand" when he has $1.80 left in his stack. You raise and he folds worse and calls with better. That's a BAD bet.
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Listen to what this guy says. Whats the point of raising to know where you stand on the last round of betting? The ultimate question of poker: WHY ARE YOU BETTING? bluff OR VALUE? This is neither. You expect that he might have 9x and call? Cause if he has 9x he played it really weirdly. Or do you expect him to fold a straight or a weak flush? Cause if you want to see what he has all you gotta do is push the button that says "CALL"
 
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