$4 NLHE Full Ring: CHeck-raise allin the turn.call allin with TPTK?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 54/12/2

888 Poker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $1.60 (VPIP: 11.60, PFR: 10.88, 3Bet Preflop: 4.46, hands: 389)
MP+1: $4.34 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: $3.07 (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (BTN): $5.97
SB: $3.40 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BB: $2.88 (VPIP: 15.58, PFR: 1.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
UTG: $4.82 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG+1: $3.01 (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has Q:heart: A:diamond:

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.04, MP raises to $0.16, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.16, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.54, 3 players) Q:club: 7:diamond: 4:club:
UTG+1 checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, fold

Turn: ($1.14, 2 players) 8:diamond:
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.65, UTG+1 raises to $2.55, fold

[spoil]UTG+1 wins $2.30
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given this is the micros,from my expirience,calling an allin with TPTK is an expection rather than the rule.but the check-raise allin on the turn is confusing to me.at the micros people limp-call with all kinds of junk but this spot is somewhat new to me.what do you think about it?

Hey again Taco,

First thing, you should consider a fold preflop. I'm not saying your call was bad, but folding should be an option since you aren't matching up against his range too well. Let's examine it!

The MP player is pretty tight, a 10 PFR technically would be 55+, A8s+, ATo+. But we can assume from middle position he is playing tighter than that. No ace worse than AJo, 88 (possibly 77). PT4 says you are only slightly behind his 10% range (48% preflop equity) so the blinds + your position + your opponents tightness/predictable range should allow you to call pre. Ok cool

So yea, let's look at the turn, cuz your flop play was fine. You bet out a good amount to make all sorts of draws pay.

Your turn pot odds are around 3.6 to 1.9, which is 1.8:1 or something, so you'd have to win 1/3 times or more to make money.

Let's assume he won't be shoving as a stone cold bluff. It is at worst a semi bluff, with either a diamond draw of a club draw.

Since you only have 29 hands on villain, it should almost always be a fold here. DEFINITELY keep an eye on him and stay at that table... you can easily be ready for his shove next time and call with some confidence!

So many things that beat you could shove. 88, 56, 78...

Recently I was at a table with a player like this, he would shove over any decent sized pot. These players win small amounts by risking large amounts.. it's bound to fail eventually, so just be ready for when that happens if you see this player doing it often. Since it didn't happen on the flop, it is fine to assume he has at least 2 pair here, and you can fold.

:marchmell

Nice hand. Don't go broke in Baluga spots.

At that spot the villain can have anything so tough to say where your hand stands on the turn. Villain can be raising a wide range of hands there, the board is super wet, so he could have anything from a set to a straight draw or even something like KQ or top pair weaker kicker. At these stakes i would have personally gone with my hand and called the raise unless i know the villain to be super tight and is not making a move on us (then i fold).:shot:

El Taco Gringo said:

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 54/12/2

888 Poker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $1.60 (VPIP: 11.60, PFR: 10.88, 3Bet Preflop: 4.46, Hands: 389)
MP+1: $4.34 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: $3.07 (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (BTN): $5.97
SB: $3.40 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BB: $2.88 (VPIP: 15.58, PFR: 1.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)
UTG: $4.82 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG+1: $3.01 (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has Q<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♦</font>

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.04, MP raises to $0.16, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.16, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.54, 3 players) Q<font color='black'>♣</font> 7<font color='red'>♦</font> 4<font color='black'>♣</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, fold

Turn: ($1.14, 2 players) 8<font color='red'>♦</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.65, UTG+1 raises to $2.55, fold

[spoil]UTG+1 wins $2.30
[/spoil]

given this is the micros,from my expirience,calling an allin with TPTK is an expection rather than the rule.but the check-raise allin on the turn is confusing to me.at the micros people limp-call with all kinds of junk but this spot is somewhat new to me.what do you think about it?

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Nice hand. But I'd rather 3bet preflop to avoid such tough situation

tomnovember said:

Nice hand. But I'd rather 3bet preflop to avoid such tough situation

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Why do that? You want UTG+1 that is a superfish to join the party. You have position on both the fish and the nit. Why do you want him to fold and fight with the nit?
I would probabely make it more on the flop and more on the turn . Get more value from the fish.

swingro said:

Why do that? You want UTG+1 that is a superfish to join the party. You have position on both the fish and the nit. Why do you want him to fold and fight with the nit?
I would probabely make it more on the flop and more on the turn . Get more value from the fish.

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Just because UTG+1 is a fish, you shall play straight forward. Reg may fold to your 3bet here, but fish may probably call with a marginal hand and let the nit leave.

tomnovember said:

Just because UTG+1 is a fish, you shall play straight forward. Reg may fold to your 3bet here, but fish may probably call with a marginal hand and let the nit leave.

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What you say works when the fish is after the initial raiser. When he puts 3-4bbs on the table it is more likely to call.

swingro said:

What you say works when the fish is after the initial raiser. When he puts 3-4bbs on the table it is more likely to call.

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But flatting here just make yourself as a fish as you can hardly know the range of this so-called fish...

Just play straight forward against fish. Flatting with AQ and try fit/fold is really not a good strategy.

3-betting here is pretty bad.