$4 NLHE Full Ring: AQ - trips vs very wet board

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888 Poker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 35 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 13)
SB: 20 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 110.25 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 79 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 102 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 94 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP+1: 106.25 BB (VPIP: 34.10, PFR: 8.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 176)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: A:heart:

UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (28.5 BB, 2 players) Q:club: T:club: 9:club:
UTG+1 bets 14.25 BB, Hero calls 14.25 BB

Turn: (57 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 30.5 BB, UTG+1 calls 30.5 BB

River: (118 BB, 2 players) 4:club:
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks
 
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Against an early open-raise, AQo stands a good chance of being dominated, so not sure about the preflop 3-bet.
Having said that, it's not terrible either.

Postflop is perfect.
 
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I just fold pre. AQ is not ahead of a typical UTG + 1's range, and definitely not against their continuing range. AQs is probably good enough to flat though. Never 3-betting.

Postflop is fine.
 
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Well, i think AQo good for 3bet pre, but it depends how villain playing hands, in this situation only 3 hands - unknown UTG for me... prefer just call his raise, other part turn, river - played fine
 
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Well, i think AQo good for 3bet pre, but it depends how villain playing hands, in this situation only 3 hands - unknown UTG for me... prefer just call his raise, other part turn, river - played fine

Not vs UTG. Ask yourself why you are 3-betting. It's certainly not for value, and turning AQo into a bluff against a super tight range is spew. 6-max I'm okay with 3-betting AQo since we have good blockers and fold out some better hands like 22-99, fold out suited broadways, and are doing alright against their continuing range. Full ring ranges UTG are too tight. I'd probably only 3-bet AK/AA/KK and flat the rest.
 
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Not vs UTG. Ask yourself why you are 3-betting. It's certainly not for value, and turning AQo into a bluff against a super tight range is spew. 6-max I'm okay with 3-betting AQo since we have good blockers and fold out some better hands like 22-99, fold out suited broadways, and are doing alright against their continuing range. Full ring ranges UTG are too tight. I'd probably only 3-bet AK/AA/KK and flat the rest.

Like i'd said depends on how villain played hands tight/aggro, overall AQ on full ring strong for me, have a question, you mean AQo underdog overall vs UTG or just vs this situation? Why i 3 bet? 'cause i have position this is very important for me, if they really got AA/KK/AK they reraise 4bb, 5bb or even shove, then i give up.
 
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Only just realised I've gone back to playing AQ against EP and LP the same way. I still think I'd struggle folding AQ at these stakes in position. I don't like to over generalise, but the majority of players at 888 poker at 2/4nl have no positional awareness and are playing the same number of hands in any position. Although I guess it's a good idea to treat unknowns as decent players so I should maybe reconsider this.
 
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Like i'd said depends on how villain played hands tight/aggro, overall AQ on full ring strong for me, have a question, you mean AQo underdog overall vs UTG or just vs this situation? Why i 3 bet? 'cause i have position this is very important for me, if they really got AA/KK/AK they reraise 4bb, 5bb or even shove, then i give up.

Yes, AQo is a dog and dominated against a typical UTG range. Put AQ in an equity calculator against a typical UTG range, and you will see it has not so great equity. Half the tine you flop a Q or an A you are losing a good portion of your stack to AA/KK/QQ/AK. 3-betting because you're in position is not a valid reason to 3-bet. We 3-bet for value (to get worse hands to call) or as a bluff (to get better hands to fold). From what you are saying, it looks like you are reraising AQ for information. Betting or raising for information is wrong and will cost you money.
 
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I like the 3bet pre we are doing this for value... our opponent is 33 33 aggro. We expect to be infront of most of his range.

Flop is so bad for us though and it now falls into his calling range. So if our opponent played tight pre he has us... if our opponent calls wide he now has us crushed.

When the turn card hits we havnt really gained strength if we take the info from pre flop action if hes wide. We do have his tight side crushed though.

Interesting to know if u think ur bettjng for value or bluff on turn.

I think we should b heading to showdown as cheap as possible and check turn to induce river bluffs and get value from his missed A and k draws or weaker top or 2 paired hands.
 
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I beg to disagree pre and postlop plays except the river.

Especially pre, is our hand good enough for a 3-bet play?
 
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I like the 3bet pre we are doing this for value... our opponent is 33 33 aggro. We expect to be infront of most of his range.

Flop is so bad for us though and it now falls into his calling range. So if our opponent played tight pre he has us... if our opponent calls wide he now has us crushed.

When the turn card hits we havnt really gained strength if we take the info from pre flop action if hes wide. We do have his tight side crushed though.

Interesting to know if u think ur bettjng for value or bluff on turn.

I think we should b heading to showdown as cheap as possible and check turn to induce river bluffs and get value from his missed A and k draws or weaker top or 2 paired hands.

33/33 over 3 hands though. I'm betting the turn for value. I thought he'd hit the flop somehow (maybe just draws) and then gave up on the turn when he didn't improve. I've seen this quite a lot with tagfishy players where they don't really know what to do after the flop and give it up quite easily if they haven't hit. Expected him to have AK when I bet (until he called).

He ended up having jacks.
 
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So if this hand so bad, i must fold all time vs UTG? don't like dat , feel nitty my game if i folding too much, villains can ez exploit me, i like mix it up game lil' bit, woah, so you can bet AQ for value on this mono flop, risky mb, you still think your hand is best whatever villain does? , OK this hand fine, but what about if we miss flop, you can still bet for value? ofc i'll fight little, but if villain don't give up, i must give up - save my chips.
 
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I like the 3bet pre we are doing this for value... our opponent is 33 33 aggro.
Always check the sample size! 3 hands is nothing. He could be anything from a 10/8/1 nit to a 70/2/0 fish.

Interesting to know if u think ur bettjng for value or bluff on turn.
I think of it as a value bet. We can assume he hit the board and/or has an overpair. We can't assume he flopped a flush.

Let us hope for villain's sake he had that, yes. Otherwise why'd he call the turn?

So if this hand so bad, i must fold all time vs UTG? don't like dat , feel nitty my game if i folding too much, villains can ez exploit me, i like mix it up game lil' bit
Depends on who is UTG. If it's a nitty player that'll only open-raise JJ+/AK UTG, then yeah, fold every time. If it's a LAG who opens 20%+ of his hands UTG? Easy 3-bet. And if it's a semi-loose TAG who opens wide but not unreasonable, it's a flat, imo.

Vs unknowns, assume they're solid/nits.

Also, this is only the fourth hand you play with this villain, so being exploited is out of the question.

, woah, so you can bet AQ for value on this mono flop, risky mb, you still think your hand is best whatever villain does?
He checked the turn, which indicates weakness. I don't think he has a flush. And we can always fold if we get check-raised.

OK this hand fine, but what about if we miss flop, you can still bet for value? ofc i'll fight little, but if villain don't give up, i must give up - save my chips.
If we completely miss the flop, we shouldn't call his c-bet, and we definitely shouldn't bet out. It wouldn't be for value in that case, it would be a bluff.
 
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im jamming turn here all day long. So many draws that will make the mistake and call us here. Also Ax hands with the nut ace will be happy to call.
 
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I beg to disagree pre and postlop plays except the river.

Especially pre, is our hand good enough for a 3-bet play?


Umm yea . Just because in theory under the gun opens are strong, doesnt mean that we shhould be folding hands like AQ. There are alot of hands that we have good equity against and also its good to 3bet it to know where we stand(aka if he 4bets its an easy fold and if he flats we can take KK-AA and alot of QQ out of his range). Also we pick up initiative and usually take it down with a cbet on all low flops or A high flops.


It really comes down to each persons playing style really.
 
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Call pre. Pot control all the way thru unless you improve from a pair to trips like you did. Turn bet at least half pot to make it incorrect for draws to call.
 
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