$4 NLHE Full Ring: Am I an idiot for folding AK?

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$4 NL HE Full Ring: Am I an idiot for folding AK?

Stacks:
MP with $0.14
BTN with $2.59
SB with $0.61
BB with $2.00
UTG with $6.37

Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to BB:A♦ K♣
Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
2 players fold.
BTN calls [$0.02]
SB raises $0.08 to $0.10 Hero raises $0.22 to $0.32 BTN raises $0.22 to $0.54
SB raises $0.07 to $0.61 [ all-in ]
1 players folded.
Total folds this street: 3
 
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I guess I dont know much, but seems to me that AK is worth the call, there are only two hands that have you dominated and a lot of hands you are pretty even with , and a ton that you have dominated and at that level people all in with AQ, AJ, and worse preflop.
 
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In this situation I'd fold

At micro stakes, a raise followed by a reraise followed by another reraise usually singnals AA/KK

Against the SB, however with who has about a 30BB stack, I would shove.

Against the button who had 100BB, I wouldn't shove unless I had reason to believe he was doing this with hands less than AA/KK.

I'm not sure what the play is like at 2NL (if the BTN is calling a bb of 2c then its 2NL.. but with deep stacks.. usually the limit is 100 x bb )

Its either going to be one of two things.. people play crazy.. and therefore you have seen this guy bet like this a few times before.. so you shove.

OR

People are trying to play good hands in which case they tend to tighten up their 3 betting range too much.. so once someone 3-bets and 4-bets its your signal to lay down all but AA!!
 
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I'd call quite happily here.
The SB we can ignore their stack is that small its an insta call.

the button open limped!
Can you really see someone open limping AA on the button.

At 2NL the answer to this is probably yes.
But the sort of people who open limp AA, do you think there good players?
Do you think the sort of player who open limps AA is never going to show up with junk here?

I'm getting this in very happily!
 
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I'd call quite happily here.
The SB we can ignore their stack is that small its an insta call.

the button open limped!
Can you really see someone open limping AA on the button.

At 2NL the answer to this is probably yes.
But the sort of people who open limp AA, do you think there good players?
Do you think the sort of player who open limps AA is never going to show up with junk here?

I'm getting this in very happily!
doesnt HH even say to limp with aces at least a couple times to keep people guessing?
 
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doesnt HH even say to limp with aces at least a couple times to keep people guessing?

Why do you think its necessary to keep bad players guessing? Save that stuff until ABC play and straight forward value betting starts showing less of a profit (100NL ish)
 
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I'm not saying I limp with aces at the stakes i'm playing i'm just telling Deco that limping with aces doesn't mean you're a bad player
 
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I'm not saying I limp with aces at the stakes i'm playing i'm just telling Deco that limping with aces doesn't mean you're a bad player

At micro stakes it does.

The whole point of limping with big hands is to balance your range.

There is no need to do this, therefore you are losing some value.

There is no need to be deceptive with players who make tonns of mistakes playing their normal straight forward game.
 
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At micro stakes it does.

The whole point of limping with big hands is to balance your range.

There is no need to do this, therefore you are losing some value.

There is no need to be deceptive with players who make tonns of mistakes playing their normal straight forward game.
wish I would've known this starting out. thanks for the advice
 
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wish I would've known this starting out. thanks for the advice

I was just thinking the same thing when i read that, people are clearing do enough things wrong here that "deception" is probably not the thing that holding your game back at micro levels.
 
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I would simply call here.The players at micro stakes are shoving all in with all kind of pairs and all kind of suited aces.
 
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I think you had no choice but to call in this situation. You had already invested 32 cents in the pot. It was then raised to 61 cents (so 29 cents to call). The way I figure it the pot would have been about $1.47 (your 32 cents, plus button 54 cents, plus SB 61 cents). That would mean 7 to 1 pot odds.

My logic could be flawed though as I am pretty inexperienced myself, but from what I have read you should be viewing each new bet as its own instance and looking at your new pot odds.

Edited my logic as I saw there were 3 in the pot (still learning to read these things).
 
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I shove this without blinking. Ranges are really wide and 2nl players are lol bad (especially those that limp the BTN). Yes you'll be flipping against smaller pocket pairs a good percentage of the time but the dead money more than makes up for that. I have zero doubt that you'll also see a lot of weaker Aces than AK turn up here as well.

So I shove, win money!
 
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I dissagree here. Since ive played a lot of the smaller stakes on full tilt i know for a fact that u are not dominated and at worst are at 50/50 with a small PP. At such low levels the play is so bad that they dont go by position or anything like that, they just go by what they have in there hand so i would have definantly called if not re raised all in here. Not that ur an idiot in being safe but, I think I would have called.
 
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I insta-shove at this level. If they have aces or kings here, i'd be suprised.
 
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Its not a bad fold.. but on these stakes, you never know what people do..

nice fold, nothing wrong with
 
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