$4 NLHE Full Ring: AK of clubs in th BB 4 limpers before me.

$4 NL HE Full Ring: AK of clubs in th BB 4 limpers before me.

Im in the BB with AK of clubs and 4 limpers in front. I was tempted to just call as there were so many already in. But didnt, I thought I should get down to 1 opponent with a raise to 36c.

But no, 2 callers and I get the ace and a nut flush draw. I thought ok Im ahead of everything bar two pair and have the best flush draw, so I bet pot and get reraised and I, er , well, gambled my money away I guess.

9bb set mining though, Im pretty sure long term calling 44 for 9bb is gonna hurt your roll.

Was my pot sized bet ok after the check on the flop or was it was over the top for the actual strenghth of the hand?

After putting so much in already was I actually commited or could I have got away from it to save $2.46?

The check-raise over on the flop should have spooked you a bit, but I don't know how you felt about the villain's play. You could have put him on AQ or something like that, but with a check-raise all in move, you had to think he had at least 2 pair. It had to sound like a bear trap slamming shut on you! It would have been hard to fold for $2.46, but you have to play it the same as if you were playing for $246,000.

You're actually a substantial favorite on the flop against 2 pr, you're only a dog against sets. If the shove all in is absolutely no question a set, you're not getting good odds to call - if his range includes sets and all 2 pair combos, you're getting good odds to call (and I'm not including goofy stuff like QQ and 65).

I don't really like the full psb on the flop, not due to hand strength per se, but because it makes things much simpler for Villain. If he has a weak made hand or a draw, it allows him to get away cheaply, and there is no weak made hand or draw that we're really afraid of. If he's got a monster, he can shove (raising really isn't an option for him given his stack size) and lay reasonable looking odds for Hero to call.

Yeah I'm not sure about the psb but we can never fold here

i am going all in here every single time.

slycbnew said:

"If he's got a monster, he can shove (raising really isn't an option for him given his stack size) and lay reasonable looking odds for Hero to call".

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True and true! :icon_shak

The fact that you hold the Ac and Kc means that villian is a lot less likely to be getting the money in with a draw or with a hand like AJ with the Ac

When he gets it in you are almost always against a range weighted towards sets.

Do you think he shoves 89s here?

OK we know the results but lets reverse engineer a bit. We raise such that villian does not get odds to setmine, yet he calls. This does not suggest a very sophisticated player. Villian then C/R on a flush draw board and we know that he can never be holding the first or second nut FD (because we hold both cards that he would need).

A line like this form a villian like this is almost always a set. If he donk shoved it would be more believable as a bluff than a CR.

How often is this A3s or A4s? I honestly don't know at 4nl.

slycbnew said:

How often is this A3s or A4s? I honestly don't know at 4nl.

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With A4s and A3s in his range the river call is basically breakeven.

Villian is never doing this with a draw, dont expect weak passive types to start shoving it in with draws; they dont and on top of that we block all the nut and second nut draws.

you can call but it dosent really make you any money; it dosent really lose you any either.

Personally I dont see the need to make marginal calls in games where there are so many better spots.

Calling here isnt terrible, but I think a lot of people are thinking that TPTK + FD is way ahead here and that isnt the case its only very slightly better than break-even.

The other thing is if we add in A3s and A4s into his call 3bet range (which is bad!) we also need to consider he could slowplay AA preflop OOP with 4 limpers .. sounds crazy but I have seen it done and its just as silly as calling OOP with A3s in a 3bet pot