$4 NLHE Full Ring: My 8's in MP vs QQ..thought I had a slight advantage over his range, any opinions?

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$4 NLHE Full Ring: My 8's in MP vs QQ..thought I had a slight advantage over his range, any opinions?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 47/33/1.6

iPoker - $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)
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SB: $3
BB: $5.06
UTG: $1.56
(Villain) UTG+1: $3.84
(Hero) MP: $4.42
MP+1: $1.94
MP+2: $2.11
CO: $2.16
BTN: $4.57

Pre-flop: ($0.06)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, BB folds

Flop: ($0.30) :3h4: :2h4: :6d4: (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.15, MP raises to $0.44, UTG+1 raises to $0.88, MP raises to $4.30 (All-in), UTG+1 calls $2.84 (All-in)

Turn: ($8.32) :3h4: :2h4: :6d4: :3d4: (2 players)

River: ($8.32) :3h4: :2h4: :6d4: :3d4: :jh4: (2 players)


Villain was 47/33/1.6 for 36 hands.
Hero 21/16/2.3.

Based my shove on the basis that he had a wide range including a lot of AT+ KJ+ etc that was calling my shove and I was well ahead of after the flop, and that 99 and TT would also probably be folding a lot there. Anyone agree with this or should I have seen danger and folded after his reraise???
 
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Sample of hands is pretty low but ya we can assume hes pretty poor.

UTG raise has to gain respect no matter what type of player they are,
Your call is fine i guess but because of the villians stats and your call i could see a lot of lighter 3-bets that your going to call oop, but im assuming your only set mining with this hand so doesnt matter!

Im inclined to just call the flop and leave him bet into us as were ahead of his range a lot of the time here, but the raise isnt the worst either, when you get re raised on flop his range is very narrow imo, as from his stats, he doesnt seem to be an aggressive player.
(Not that familiar with the decimal value of the agg in the stats, but based on your stats and assuming your TAG.Im sure hes not that agg.)

It contains a lot of suited overpairs, maybe A4hh, not sure if he raises small pp from early pos but that cant be ruled out either.All the above you are behind so to jam is just futile,your never been called by just to over-pairs, like seriously not even the worst of players would call off there stack with 2 non suited overpairs especially an non agg player like the villian. You need to start giving your villains credit and stacking in this pos against this player, for the reason you have given is delusional, the only hand that your dominating in this pos is 7,7, your not getting a fold of 9,9 or 10,10 as this level.
You will find a lot better opportunitys to stack someone then this, you were at best flipping and it turned out you were crushed.
Just call it a brainfart and move on.;)
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you had 88, correct? raising that flop isn't terrible but then you need to shut it down if he calls and fold to the min-raise.
personally, i would have called the flop bet. your not getting value from worse. plus you can represent the flush if it comes and possibly bet him off the best hand.
lot of different ways this hand could have gone down. call flop next time imo.
 
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Pretty difficult spot versus a guy with such a wide range. I don't blame you for playing it like you did. I think this is really player specifc though. Is this guy like maniac bad? Or is he a decent player who was just playing very laggy? In either case another option here might be to just call down and let him bluff off. He doesn't have that much equity with his air most of the time and I think if we fight back on the flop we only get action from better most of the time.
 
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I call the flop.

Raise/shipping this flop is terrible.
Sure we get value from 6x and 77 but that is all and even then they are rarely 3betting the flop.

Flush draws with two overcards have 15outs they are actually ahead of us!
99+/66/33/22/45 all beat us. Getting it in here is very -EV. Don't show results.
 
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Your assumptions don't seem to line up very well. You think he's calling your shove with AT+ KJ+, which seems to assume he thinks making a pair is likely to win. But if that's the case, it means you have a lot of middle pairs, so why would he fold 99 and TT which are already ahead of those holdings?

I'm not saying there aren't people who play like this. There are. My point is that you've made assumptions that are on the optimistic side because they don't fit together very well, then based your shove on this optimistic scenario.
 
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