$4 NLHE Full Ring: 55 with flop A56 spades.

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$4 NL HE Full Ring: 55 with flop A56 spades.

Button was extremely aggressive early running at 55% VPIP 55% PFR however after a couple of big losses he had tightened up a little. He had been raising pre flop with a very loose range Ax, 2 picture cards, suited connectors. UTG is 50% 0% and seemed to like playing anything. Was regularly calling pre flop raises with ATC.

Stacks:

UTG with $5.11
MP1 with $9.20
MP2 with $3.21
CO with $24.41
BTN with $10.07
SB with $4.07
BB with $14.52



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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Full Tilt Poker
Dealt to MP1:5♣ 5♥
Sklansky group 6
Preflop:
UTG calls [$0.05]
Hero calls [$0.05]
MP2 calls [$0.05]
CO calls [$0.05]
BTN raises to $0.37
2 players fold.
UTG calls [$0.32]
Hero calls [$0.32]
MP2 calls [$0.32]
1 players folded.
Total folds this street: 3
Potsize: $1.6
Flop:
6♠ 5♠ A♠
UTG checks
Hero checks
MP2 checks
BTN bets [$1.60]
1 players fold.
UTG calls [$1.60

I had tried raising with low pairs earlier on the table and had no luck in reducing the field so I limped in hoping for a set. Got the set but did not like the spades.
By my reckonig I am approx 2-1 dog if one of them has the flush making this a call as I'm getting 3-1 odds. I know they dont have AA or 66.

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I'd push here, it'll probably fold out UTG but the buttons calling with a huge range i think, if i play pp's for set value like you did here, then when i flop a set it's gonna take a very strong case for me to fold here, i.e. a super tight villain who's never 3bet in 300 hands 3betting all in on this board could scare me off my set, but against a passive fish and a LAG fish, i'm getting the money in.

The button could call with a bad ace and UTG might fold but if they both fold you've still taken down a $4.80 pot or w/e so you've made well over 12-1 on your pf call which is what you want to be taking down when you set mine.

Against 2 players who will play pretty much anything you can't be scared of one of them flopping a flush b/c the chances of that are slim, just get it in and if one of them turns over a flopped flush or a higher set just get on the beats and vents page and whinge about it lol
 
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Forgot to mention blinds 0.02/0.05. $10 buy in. Thanks for your thoughts Orange, hope to get some more soon.

Will post the outcome of the hand in a few days time.
 
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Preflop I like to raise my pp, but at this table limping is fine because you don't want to be 3-bet and have to fold.

The Button's Flop bet could be anything after being checked to but when the UTG calls the pot bet you have to think there is a good chance they have the flush, not guaranteed but what are these guys going to do this with reasonably. Button's range is still pretty wide but UTG (AK, AQ, maybe AJ, and any flush and AA, 66) I don't see how you can discount AA or 66.

You didn't include any post flop reads - I don't mind that you checked it to the preflop raiser but how do you not know how to respond, you should know what you are going to do before it happens. A button raise you should have been expecting as it is the only action that requires a response. Anyway If you check raise here all in, depending on what you think of the villians you might or might not be called by worse in this spot. The problem I see if that you are playing villians with different stacks. 100bb and 185bb preflop. You aren't folding to shove by UTG as the pot is getting huge, and button can really use his position here against you. I say raise and put the UTG player all in on the flop, and evaluate the buttons actions against your reads of him but I don't mind stacking here as even if they have the flush you have outs to the fullhouse/quads and possibly fold equity that you will lose to a lot of turn cards.
 
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You didn't include any post flop reads - I don't mind that you checked it to the preflop raiser but how do you not know how to respond

Button had 100% c-bet.
 
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Button had 100% c-bet.

That is a good start but I also meant, are they very aggressive? Does the Btn c-bet then shut it down on the turn if he misses or will he fire at the pot again whether he hit or miss. Is UTG a calling station or will he bet good hands, call draws and fold weak hands? and so on.
 
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Just get your money in any way you can. There is no way you can fold a set here especially at 5NL against a fish with an ace on the flop. Even if he has the flush you still have decent equity.

So in summary, DONT FOLD SETS!
 
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You didn't call the raise to fold when you hit a set..There's always going to be scare cards..But you have to get it in right now..What if the next card is another spade and the river pairs the board? You're going to fold the turn if a spade comes! So better push right now and pray just in case they have flush/make a flush, you make a full house! They could also have A-rag/2pair and stuff! Goodluck , you cant fold there NEVER! and a call is PATHETIC!
 
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I like shoving it here. Hard to put on AA or 66. If someone has AKspade you'll probally get a call with nut flush draw and top pair to kicker. Make the spade draws pay to play and hopefully you'll get called down my AK with no spade, maybe your opponent will think u have the flush drawn. Just shove it :)
 
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I like shoving it here. Hard to put on AA or 66. If someone has AKspade you'll probally get a call with nut flush draw and top pair to kicker. Make the spade draws pay to play and hopefully you'll get called down my AK with no spade, maybe your opponent will think u have the flush drawn. Just shove it :)

The A spade is already on the board.

With not much of a read on the villains, I would put all my chips in here on the flop. If we flat call or check raise and they both call, and on the turn another spade comes, it'll be very tricky.

Surely we aren't folding after hitting our set. If someone does flop the flush, we have outs to fill up to a boat.
 
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