$4 NLHE Full Ring: $4 NLHE Full Ring: 4NLHE 100BBs w/ 55 OOP

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Here are the notes I had written about this hand:
I've played a few pots with villain earlier in the day on a separate table. I remember him check/folding a lot of flops HU where he called my PF raise. I think at least once or twice he floated the flop and folded to a double barrel. These were all against me so he might consider this if/when playing back at me. He hasn't really seen me lose or give up on a pot where I was the PF raiser.


Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $3.92
BTN: $4.27
SB: $3.33
BB: $4.66
Hero (UTG): $3.98

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 5<font color='black'>♠</font> 5<font color='red'>♦</font>

Hero raises to $0.10, fold, BTN calls $0.10, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) 6<font color='red'>♦</font> 3<font color='red'>♥</font> 9<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero bets $0.17, BTN calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.60, 2 players) 2<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets $0.36, BTN calls $0.36

River: ($1.32, 2 players) 8<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero bets $0.92, BTN raises to $3.64 and is all-in, fold

BTN wins $2.95


My first question is, should I be raising these small-mid PP's in early position? I hate to just open fold them and limping doesn't seem too great either. As played, I feel this is a good flop for us so I go for a c-bet. I don't think he's ever folding his overcards here, especially since he's seen me C-Bet my entire range (I think I literally have 100% c-bet at this table).
I think he has some pair plus draws that he isn't folding the turn to.
On the river, I don't think much has changed unless he had T7 / 57. Originally I thought he might be floating with overs or some type of pair plus draw. However, I don't see these type of hands shoving the river when I've showed strength the entire way. At this point I'm thinking either a set or some type of two pair (could've had pair+ on the flop and rivered 2 pair).

I'm interested in how some of you would of played this hand and more importantly, how bad was my open here and what range of hands should we just fold UTG?
 
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I'm interested in how some of you would of played this hand and more importantly, how bad was my open here and what range of hands should we just fold UTG?

I think that opening with 55 is OK on passive tables, on some aggressive tables I would go with 66 or 77. I think your c-bet is OK (though personally I would check for pot control), because the board is dry and there are not many hands that villain will call here, so there should be decent chance of taking pot right there, no matter what your hand is.

I am not sure about turn and even more river barrels. Because what range villain can be calling with here? I guess smth like: 78, 79, 7T, 89, 8T, 9T, 67, 68, 69, 6T, 22-JJ, some weak aces, maybe JT, QJ.

I don't like turning your hand into a bluff OOP on the turn and definitely on the river, especially that there are not really many bluffs on the river IMO. I think in such spots it is just better to control the pot and call small bets hoping villain to give up on the river and beat his bluffs and bottom of his range.
 
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I think that opening with 55 is OK on passive tables, on some aggressive tables I would go with 66 or 77. I think your c-bet is OK (though personally I would check for pot control), because the board is dry and there are not many hands that villain will call here, so there should be decent chance of taking pot right there, no matter what your hand is.

This was basically my thinking during the hand. I felt like I had the best hand OTF but I haven't been thinking about pot control at all which has caused me to play some bloated pots lately. Maybe I need to realize my SD value and start x/c more often? I usually don't like the passive lines which is why I tend to bet more than checking. Could definitely be a leak of mine.
I still like betting the flop for the reasons you said but maybe x/c the turn and either x/c or x/f the river is better?
Overall, I have a hard time playing small-mid PPs in early to middle position. A lot of times I find myself turning them into bluffs. I don't have a solid strategy of how to approach those hands when OOP.
 
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This was basically my thinking during the hand. I felt like I had the best hand OTF but I haven't been thinking about pot control at all which has caused me to play some bloated pots lately. Maybe I need to realize my SD value and start x/c more often? I usually don't like the passive lines which is why I tend to bet more than checking. Could definitely be a leak of mine.

I got much better results, when I realised, that I don't have to chase every pot ;) Sometimes you have to give up early hoping for cheap showdown.
 
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I got much better results, when I realised, that I don't have to chase every pot ;) Sometimes you have to give up early hoping for cheap showdown.

Oh how I wish I realized this sooner. I've actually been on a bit of a downswing the past couple of days and I realized with my aggressive play style that I lose a lot more BBs than I otherwise should.
Does anyone have any good material to read on this subject? Also, I feel as though I don't have a consistent strategy for my preflop play. I need some guidelines to keep in mind when deciding what to open and from what position. If anyone knows any good articles, books or videos on any of these points I'd love to check them out.
 
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Oh how I wish I realized this sooner. I've actually been on a bit of a downswing the past couple of days and I realized with my aggressive play style that I lose a lot more BBs than I otherwise should. Does anyone have any good material to read on this subject?

As a rule of thumb: play your value hands and strong draws aggressively and your weak hands and air passively (more folding / pot control / trying to get to showdown cheaply). I wrote rule of thumb, because of course there are times when you should bluff with some weak hand, check a strong draw or hero call with ace high etc. and you cannot just play by strict rules in poker, but I would treat it as kind of starting point.

Also, I feel as though I don't have a consistent strategy for my preflop play. I need some guidelines to keep in mind when deciding what to open and from what position. If anyone knows any good articles, books or videos on any of these points I'd love to check them out.

Check out my post here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/what-best-starting-hands-323583/post-3630747.html
 
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Wow, awesome post, it makes a lot of sense! I'm going to download and read through the book you linked as well. Thanks a lot!
I'm sure I'll have some questions after reading through a bit of the book.
Since I'm new here I'm not exactly sure what the rules are. Should I make a new thread for discussions/questions from this book or just keep this tread alive? Since this thread started as a HH question I wasn't sure. Either way, I appreciate the help.
 
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Wow, awesome post, it makes a lot of sense! I'm going to download and read through the book you linked as well. Thanks a lot!

You are welcome :) Remember that this is more like starting point - playing strictly by the charts will be disaster in some games. But I think on most passive micro tables it is good to more or less stick to some kind of charts to have solid background is a good thing. BTW. knowing the theory, I still make a lot of mistakes in my preflop game (and even more postflop), because knowing that stuff is much harder than actually applying it to my game :D

I'm sure I'll have some questions after reading through a bit of the book.
Since I'm new here I'm not exactly sure what the rules are. Should I make a new thread for discussions/questions from this book or just keep this tread alive? Since this thread started as a HH question I wasn't sure. Either way, I appreciate the help.

I am quite new as well, but I think that rule of thumb would be to at least try to find similar topic and ask there, if you still have doubts or create new one if you can't find smth ;)
 
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