$4 NLHE Full Ring: 2nl:TPMK facing aggression.

$4 NL HE Full Ring: 2nl:TPMK facing aggression.

Villain is unknown(8 hands).

This hand confused me because of the effective stacks. I didnt know what to do on the flop, raise the donk bet? I wanted to keep control of the pot since we were deep so I called.

Then the flush hits on the turn. With no stats or history its hard to know if he would be betting the FD.

The river doesnt change much for decisions so I think the call is ok cause I called the first two streets.

Overall is this played too passively?





IPoker Network $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 10 players - View hand 900152
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CO: $3.60
Hero (BTN): $7.22
SB: $1.10
BB: $2.09
UTG: $0.90
UTG+1: $2.47
UTG+2: $1.06
MP1: $6.48
MP2: $2.00
MP3: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K :heart: Q :heart:
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.33) Q :club: 2 :spade: 4 :spade: (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18, MP1 folds

Turn: ($0.69) 7 :spade: (2 players)
CO bets $0.38, Hero calls $0.38

River: ($1.45) 4 :heart: (2 players)
CO bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

You can probably fold the river against most villains. I can't think of too many hands he bets all 3 streets with here that we beat.

So you think not raising the flop and just calling the turn is OK?

Yes. If we raise the flop he shoves with his sets and FDs (a range we're flipping with at best) so why not use our position to our advantage. I call flop and turn against an unknown but I think the river is a clear fold.

What about being deep, does this factor in at all? Its actually why I changed my mind from raising to just calling?

Even if we're 100bb deep I still call the flop and turn. I really don't think it changes anything other than making the river an even clearer fold because we have plenty left behind and yet he's still betting.

I would not be happy stacking here on either the flop or the turn even 100bb deep.

agreed,most people arent firing 3 barrels with air or TPWK

I would say it was played a little to passively. Lets say you re raised him after the turn card to say 90c total, an extra 52 cents, you would have saved yourself 28 cents or more from a decent value bet with a flush. It would be a very hard decision for him three bet there if he didn't have it, and if he does then you saved yourself a little value bet and a hard decision on the river.

smurfdoT said:

I would say it was played a little to passively. Lets say you re raised him after the turn card to say 90c total, an extra 52 cents, you would have saved yourself 28 cents or more from a decent value bet with a flush. It would be a very hard decision for him three bet there if he didn't have it, and if he does then you saved yourself a little value bet and a hard decision on the river.

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So we're raising to see "where we are" instead of just calling and letting him tell us exactly where we are on the river??? Not the greatest idea imo.

Hillbilly could you explain yourself a little more? He fires out a bet after the obvious flush was put out on the board but it sounds like he isnt folding. If your choosing not to fold after the turn, which it looks like he is, if you give him a chance to bluff at it on the river you didnt get as much information as if you re raised? Im newer to poker so im just curious to find out

No problem. Ask yourself these questions about a turn raise:

If we raise the turn, will he ever fold better? No, so our bet doesn't work as a bluff.

If we raise the turn will he call with worse? Unlikely. QJ with the Js perhaps but that's only a couple of hands vs his entire range. So our bet doesn't function as a value bet.

The only slight reason to be would be for protection against a hand like AK with a single spade but his limp/call preflop pretty well rules out AK. Since there is nothing in his actual range to protect against if we happen to be ahead on the turn, there is no reason to bet for protection (protection is rarely a good enough reason to bet anyway).

So since we're not bluffing, value betting, or protecting, why would we want to raise? Call the turn bet and if he bets the river fold. Basically no one is ever bluffing that board on the river after betting the 2 prior streets. So the river bet gives you all the information you need.

That makes sense. I guess i wasn't putting him on a range of hands that would lead me to believe he is not bluffing, i was more just trying to make my hand a winner. Thanks