$4 NLHE Full Ring: $2NL Shoving on the Turn with ~15 outs

$4 NL HE Full Ring: $2NL Shoving on the Turn with ~15 outs

Hi,

Was my shove here any good? I figured villian didn't have set as he probably would have re-raised me on the flop. When I shoved on the turn I figured I definitely had 9 outs to the nuts (assuming as I did that he didn't have a set) and potentially 6 more outs with the Aces and Kings (I'd seen him play TP/Overpair to the river this way before). I also thougt he may even have two spades in his hand. Well, when I shoved he thought for ages (no set I assumed again) but eventually called...i'll save the result for now but you can see the river completed a number of straight draws, none of which would really still be in the hand so a blank as I see it...

full tilt poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 900649
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): $2.03
UTG: $2.25
UTG+1: $2.03
UTG+2: $2.21
MP1: $1.16
MP2: $2.41
CO: $1.86
BTN: $6.37
SB: $1.84
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A ♠ K ♠
4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06
Flop: ($0.25) T ♣ 4 ♠ 3 ♠ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.18, CO calls $0.18, Hero raises to $0.70, MP2 folds, CO calls $0.52
Turn: ($1.83) 7 ♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25 all in, CO calls $1.08 all in
River: ($3.99) 5 ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)

I don't like the call (no reraise) preflop and no c-bet on the flop.

Hate the call multi-way and OOP preflop. As for the turn it's fine as long as you never expect him to fold.

WVHillbilly said:

Hate the call multi-way and OOP preflop. As for the turn it's fine as long as you never expect him to fold.

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Yes, ok. I can see that I should have raised it preflop, would have definitley chased out the final guy left in the hand.

Ok, no, with $1.08 behind I didn't expect him to fold.

He turned over JTs so although I lost I thought, aside from preflop I played it ok. Should I have check/called the turn if he bet?

KT and AT are both likely TP combinations so you could easily find yourself with 12 outs not 15 btw

3bet pre, bet big flop, get it in turn IMO.

Some reads would be very useful here. I don't hate your call preflop depending on what reads we could have. I think your flop c/r is good, and I'm planning on shoving any turn card. I'd say it's safe to assume you're averaging about 25% equity on the turn. Given that, he'd only have to fold about 4% of the time for the shove to be profitable.

Standard 3-bet pre-flop. Bet flop, shove turn easy game. That's if everyone doesn't just fold pre and you get a nice little pot.

pokerman27 said:

Yes, ok. I can see that I should have raised it preflop, would have definitley chased out the final guy left in the hand.

Ok, no, with $1.08 behind I didn't expect him to fold.

He turned over JTs so although I lost I thought, aside from preflop I played it ok. Should I have check/called the turn if he bet?

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you see what everyone is telling you? reraise pre, now remember ok? reraise preflop, 3 bet, put more money in ok? heck just shove preflop but for crying out loud don't call.

you are asking us if you did a mistake on the turn, not such a big mistake, the big mistake is preflop. however i would check on the turn since i missed, he called a reraise on the flop, he definitely has something, big chance he has a set here, so why not check, maybe he checks too, you might save a dollar because odds are he is not folding since he has 1$ and the pot has 3$ in it. plus, going with the rule of 2-4 even if you have 15 outs, on the turn you only have 30% chance to win. so yeah, check is the better option.

pokerman27 said:

Yes, ok. I can see that I should have raised it preflop, would have definitley chased out the final guy left in the hand.

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forsakenone said:

you see what everyone is telling you? reraise pre, now remember ok? reraise preflop, 3 bet, put more money in ok? heck just shove preflop but for crying out loud don't call.

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Yes. I see.

I would also have 3bet preflop.