$4 NLHE Full Ring: $ : $ : 2NL FR - set of 10's - wet board - LP vilain

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 17/3/32

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($7.27)
BB ($1.17)
UTG ($1.75)
UTG+1 ($1.58)
Hero (MP1) ($3.97)
MP2 ($1.63)
CO ($5.06)
Button ($5.48)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 10 , 10
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.14, 1 fold, CO calls $0.14, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.45) K , Q , 10 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.05) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($1.25) 5club (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.72, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.25 | Rake: $0.06

Here are the vilains stats: 17/3/32

Two tens of diamonds ???

Rigged, lol.

I think it's an ok fold, folding is very rarely terrible.

Ohhh hand converter got it wrong. let me adjust

what?

oh okay HH got messed up.

What was the turn and why did you check/call it???

cjatud2012 said:

what?

did you misclick or did you actually fold quads?

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Thats what I thought at first, wtf man, quads !!!

WVHillbilly said:

What was the turn and why did you check/call it???

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Turn was a diamond making it at least 80% he got a draw (in my mind), then river was rag, I check/called in case i Get a FH on river, implied odds were definatly there if he had the hand I put him on.

Just now im wondering did he have king high? Did he just play position cause I showed weakness? Cause it was definatly an over bet at th4e end,.

Don't think he is overbetting a king there, unless he is really stupid.

Hard to see him doing that without a diamond also, check/call on the turn isn't terrible IMO, I would have done the same given the odds.

besides that he flats everything, He could definatly flat KQ in position, even KK / QQ

Wait. So on the turn the board was was KQT2 with 3 diamonds and you ch/called a 1/10 pot bet? Seriously?

First, bet a little more on a flop that wet with a set. He's not folding anything to a PSB that he's not folding to a 2/3 pot bet.

Second, NEVER EVER fail to bet that turn. His entire range is drawing with only a few made hands better than your set. Keep betting and get it in if he shoves/raises.

Against a very realistic range of 99+,AJs+,KJs+,AJo+,KJo+ you have 62% equity.

Don't fold sets. Don't fold sets. Don't fold sets. Had the turn been a Jd and the river another diamond you can fold a set but other than that, don't fold sets.

K, I was placing him on ace rag of diamond.

^^^^^^^^ got ya

Thought that the updated hand had 4 to a flush, my apologies, he could be betting so much here.

GotaLovePoke said:

K, I was placing him on ace rag of diamond.

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Why?

Even if I add all Ax dd hands to the range I used earlier, you're still almost a 60% favorite on the turn.

WVHillbilly said:

Why?

Even if I add all Ax dd hands to the range I used earlier, you're still almost a 60% favorite on the turn.

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Duly noted

GotaLovePoke said:

Duly noted

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Do you find you do this often? That is you put people on the one or 2 hands in their range that beats you and either cost yourself money by playing smaller pots or you lose pots when you let someone draw cheaply? If so that's a HUGE leak.

Remember to start with a range and narrow it based on betting actions. I mean I included KK/QQ in my plausible turn range for him just to include a few better hands than your set but the fact is that those hands are very unlikely because he usually would raise sets on that flop with so many draws. Same with AJ for the flopped straight.

I trusted you:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($0.73)
UTG ($4.96)
UTG+1 ($1.07)
MP1 ($0.67)
MP2 ($4.20)
MP3 ($4.90)
CO ($1.62)
Hero (Button) ($6.63)
SB ($3.31)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2 , 2
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.26) K , 4 , 2 (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.86) Q (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.93 (All-In), Hero calls $1.93

Hope it worked out.

River was a diamond, he turned AK o, no diamond.

So that teaches me. He was a bigger nit than the other one.

LOL its SET FRENZY, 5 in a row.

GotaLovePoke said:

River was a diamond, he turned AK o, no diamond.

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So is that really a spot where you would have looked to keep the pot small in the past?

Yes, I think I found my biggest leak so far. Thanks a bunch

Edit: I am always putting vilains on range of hands that beat me in draws, and fold as soon as draw hits.

WVHillbilly said:

So is that really a spot where you would have looked to keep the pot small in the past?

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You should see my graphic since we had this dicussion. A couple of bad beats unfortunatly, but my play is definatly 100000x better.

I do have a question though, how do you play against 80/10/50 calling station, that are extremly agressive. I hjave went broke in this situation many time today, some of them bad beats, some of them where they have the better hand right from the start, but their range is so wide I can't not call... (they often have really huge stack has they doubled off earlier, with such number, hard to put them on any range.)

A player cant be both a calling station and really aggressive.

If they are the calling station the you value bet them with your TPTK+ type hands. Never bluff.

If they are super agro you have to just stack off a little lighter then you'd normally be comfortable with, like TPGK. That is if you have seen them call stacks with mediocre hands. They will show up with decent hands some times of course but vs their range you'll be ahead a lot of the time.

brank said:

A player cant be both a calling station and really aggressive.

If they are the calling station the you value bet them with your TPTK+ type hands. Never bluff.

If they are super agro you have to just stack off a little lighter then you'd normally be comfortable with, like TPGK. That is if you have seen them call stacks with mediocre hands. They will show up with decent hands some times of course but vs their range you'll be ahead a lot of the time.

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I misguided you a bit. What I mean is they are super looses preflop, and get very agressive post flop, what ever they hit. They fold to 3bet as much as they call 3bet, theres no definite read on them. They could be raising with high pair low kicker as much as with the nuts.

Check calling the turn is OK but i think you can make a case for bet/ folding