€4 NLHE 6-max: What I did wrong? (Villain's VPIP 100)

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 100/38/7

The villain is extremely loose fish. Plays EVERY hand. Before he called to a big bet on the river having only Ace high.



iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 66.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 16)
Hero (UTG): 130.25 BB
CO: 125 BB (VPIP: 21.01, PFR: 15.97, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 121)
BTN: 29.25 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 110 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ J♥

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 8♠ 2♠ J♦
BB bets 6.25 BB, Hero calls 6.25 BB, fold

Turn: (22 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River: (42 BB, 2 players) 4♥
BB bets 12.5 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

Hero mucks A♥ J♥ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 74%, Flop 15%, Turn 14%)
BB shows J♣ 8♦ (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Pre 26%, Flop 85%, Turn 86%)
BB wins 61.5 BB

A guy like this has a very wide donking range. He just happened to have the absolute top of his range this time, and there is no way, you can ever fold, especially not when he size down on the river. In fact I would probably have raised a player like this on the flop and stacked off, especially when he only started with 60BB. So you lost the absolute minimum in the hand.

Dont assume, you did anything wrong, just because you lost a pot. Losing pots is part of poker and can not be avoided by playing well. If the best player always won, it would be chess, and guys like this one would not be in the game. The fact, that he sometimes get lucky like this is, what keep him coming back, and math will take care of him in the long run.

Yup. You got coolered. You played it perfectly.

fundiver199 said:

A guy like this has a very wide donking range. He just happened to have the absolute top of his range this time, and there is no way, you can ever fold, especially not when he size down on the river. In fact I would probably have raised a player like this on the flop and stacked off, especially when he only started with 60BB. So you lost the absolute minimum in the hand.

Dont assume, you did anything wrong, just because you lost a pot. Losing pots is part of poker and can not be avoided by playing well. If the best player always won, it would be chess, and guys like this one would not be in the game. The fact, that he sometimes get lucky like this is, what keep him coming back, and math will take care of him in the long run.

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Good post as usual (or at least most of the times).

Just to add one thing: the only information I see about post flop tendencies is that he called a big river bet with ace high.

There are one sub-category of fish/donks that are extremely loose pre-flop and passive calling stations post-flop.

If such a player starts betting three streets into a pre-flop raise you have to think he is strong. But that is an extreme outlier. Especially if he also in this case seems to 3-bet a third of his hands (just 16 hands, but still). Most super passive players usually have a very low if any 3-bet range.

But before we know more this small call on the river is a given - it also gives some extra info cheap as a bonus.

Looking through the hand without seeing the reveal, it was hard to put villain on a hand.

His hand must be good because he bet 3 streets, but he didn't bet all too much. Starting from the flop the only reasonable 2 pair would be J8, but that would bet more on the turn (probably the flop as well). This is true of sets as well, which might even check the flop to the pre-flop raiser looking for his bet.

So, call on the flop is easy and you are very often ahead. A lot of flush draws and jacks bet like this on flop.

Turn comes and he bets a little less than half pot. He must have something strong to continue. J8 is the only reasonable 2 pair unless he just turned J9, so go ahead and call here. He might be getting tricky with an over pair slow-played, but even something like that would try to get a bit more value here.

River comes with a dud. He bets weakly here, so you are probably good as per previous logic. Call.


Then if he turns over a set, 2 pair, or over pair, just say whoop-de-do, good for you.

As said previously, you lost very little given the circumstances. He made relatively little money by virtue of that. (Imagine if he bet out full pot on flop, for example)

pentazepam said:

But before we know more this small call on the river is a given - it also gives some extra info cheap as a bonus.

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Sizing definitely matter. If he bet 15BB on the turn and go all in on the river, we should at least consider folding. But in this case he played it more like, he had J7 or T9 of spades and just wanted to prevent hero from making larger bets on the turn and river.

Now that I look at it again, its actually tempting to raise the river for value against a player like this. So often this sizing is some weak 1 pair hand or even a bluff trying to buy the pot cheaply. Once in a blue moon its a misplayed monster, and this was the blue moon.

Hello! I agree, the range of the villain is very wide, it is very difficult to guess his hand in this bank. There can be a lot of bad cards on the turn and river, I think it's better to end this hand already on the flop, by making a strong re-raise, while your hand is of great value. He can call from a flash draw or in smaller pairs, and this reraise-push enought well.