$4 NLHE 6-max: Trip nines on doubled board. Flush came in on the river.

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I called on the flop hoping that the other guy would stay in the hand. I Put the fish on a two pair maybe a busted straight draw or a weaker trip nine but he had a lot of outs so I can't really blame him for calling after I check-called the flop. Should I have folded this on the river?

SB Hero: $7.32
BB: $4.06
UTG: $3.86
MP: $8.40
CO: $5.41
BTN: $1.74

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is SB and dealt :kd4: :9c4:
2 folds, CO calls $0.04, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks

Flop: ($0.12) :9h4: :qs4: :9d4: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, BB folds

Turn: ($0.28) :9h4: :qs4: :9d4: :jh4: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.19, Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.66

River: ($1.98) :9h4: :qs4: :9d4: :jh4: :6h4: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.32, CO raises to $4.44 (All-in), Hero calls $3.12
 
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1) Raise or fold pre.
2) That turn is not good for your hand, only the 8:heart: is worse. And in a limped pot, you're spewing implied odds. I probably just abort my plan to bloat the pot with a baluga check/raise, and just donk the turn instead.
3) The flush doesn't matter much. Villain's range has more straights and full houses imo.
 
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when your were on the flop you have two options:
1.raise
2.set a trap
Like most poker books say you raise so that you dont get traped like what happened above. However, im not discluding this strategy as it works well against aggressive players.
I would recommend or Dan Harrington Book recommends to
"Raise 85% and call 15%(to set a trap)"
My question to you would be is this a known aggressive player or was this just a new player you meet or what? If you can give me this details it would help me figure out what would have been the best decision.
 
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Why are we checking the flop here? I say donk it out here, unless you are 90% sure someone will bet, and even then, I'm only doing that if I think there's almost no chance of a call when I donk-bet the flop.

Others may disagree, but the thing is that a hand like this doesn't get any easier to shove people's money into unless we see cards we don't like (like what happened here). If it goes check-check-check on the flop and the turn comes a blank, we're in the exact same spot as on the flop. Would you check again? I hope not. You need to start jamming money into this pot.

As played with the flop check, I'm probably raising and playing from there. As played with the check-call, now you REALLY need to donk the turn. You can't just pray that other people hand you your value (if you still think you're ahead) by betting.

I think that the moral of the story is definitely raise or fold pre as was said. It's so much easier to get money into a raised pot without making people suspicious than into a limped one. And if you fold pre, you sigh sadly when you see the trip 9s come down, but you'd also avoid all these tough spots in an un-raised pot with what at the end of the day is not a monster hand.
 
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This will probably stir up some ruckus but oop I've been just calling unless I've got the better part of my starting range. These guys are playing 40% of pots or more and raising won't get anyone out of the pot so I'll just be playing a bigger pot oop. When I hit a top pair hair hand here I'll donk at it probably get two folds and be heads up against a draw or middle pair and take him to value town. This was the first time I hit a biggish hand after limping in.

My hope was that he hit the queen and I thought that was his most likely holding. Then when the turn came, I thought that a made straight would come over the top(making for an expensive fold, so check raise was bad play but that was my thought process) and that a lot hands I beat would call (draws or paired queen or weaker nine). I thought the river was a total brick, I was wrong.
 
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These guys are playing 40% of pots or more and raising won't get anyone out of the pot so I'll just be playing a bigger pot oop.

Sorry, but the bolded part just is not true. If they are not folding to 3x's, make it bigger. 4x is fine. Hell, 5x is fine if people won't fold to 4x. The point is, your default should not be to start limping the way everyone else is doing. It's possible that you COULD win money like this, but it is not nearly the best tactic to use in this situation, imo.
 
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Letting the BB see a free flop is pretty much always bad if your hand is better than a random one. Lose the fish mentality, learn to raise pre.
 
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